It's not NNJR - it's New Jersey as a whole. :icon107:

Actually, I've done a few DEs before the NJMP club race and never had an issue or felt that they were overly officious at all.

Agree, that's why I asked about our reputation. Always felt NNJR was very welcoming to both new members and out of region folks at our DE's as well.

Also, what does officious mean?

It means really smelly - just like the rest of Jersey! :corn:

Clearly you haven't been to Bridgeport, Hartford, or New London recently.....

All I can tell you is that nearly every time I’m at a non-NNJR DE, club race, or other car event and the subject of an NNJR DE comes up someone has something negative to say. It isn’t just a one off. It happens quite a bit. Take it for what it’s worth, don’t shoot the messenger.

So NNJR's bad reputation comes up at every other event you are at?

How do those conversations start? "Hey, nice weather, yes?" "Yes, nice day today, and btw, did you know that NNJR sucks to run with?". Is that how it goes at these non-NNJR events?

Do they talk about NNJR in the drivers' meetings at non-NNJR events? "So, everyone please behave out on track, and don't act like you're at an NNJR event?"

And this happens at every event you are at that isn't an NNJR event? NNJR's bad rep comes up at every other event you attend?

The irony is the Bridgeport is known as "Park City" and New Jersey is known as the "Garden State".

Someone may want to check the validity of both!

HOD D Group? Super Solo with PBOC at Sebring?

Those are the two I've run with that don't have point by's in the upper run groups, and I absolutely loved it. Kept my head on a swivel the whole time. which was a great learning experience for me when I first ran with these groups.

No personal experience running with them, but I can confirm that this reputation exists
That's Jersey Shore Region, not NNJR...they might not be officious, but they don't stop fist pumping

I've been doing DE for over 30 years and I'm from a small PCA region that cannot hold its own events. So I always run with other PCA regions, including, EMR, RSR, WMR, CGR, MVR, MOR, NOR, ALGR, UCR, AND NNJR. All of these regions have welcomed me as an instructor, now retired, and currently as a solo driver. I like the PCA requirements for DE and there are plenty of other bodies to run with if you don't like PCA's requirements. Just my two cents.

Speaking of JSR, where has our buddy Paul been lately? Grey Goose still doing its thing?

Man, I’m not seeing a drop off in attendance at VIR. Not at all.

@dgrobs , LV is often officious! :D

Low attendance is a problem accross the board at njmp. I buy a year pass with another org that runs there and they have been light at most events. The promoters over there r all saying the same thing. Im assuming its this way at most tracks. I assume its how people r spending their money as i think mire r going kn family vacations si that leaves less $ for track days?

Although i enjoy pca events i find some groups restrictive in advancing drivers (double edge sword) and they have less amount of track time. Some pca groups r trying to adjust schedules for more track time with open time at the end of the day. It would also be nice if u could pass in a checker flag lap and maybe start introducing the white group to expanded passing.

We are there for our annual 3-day season ender 10/28-10/30. I believe you spke at our event last season at the barn.

As of this posting, there are 153 registered drivers. That is well below what we normally have for this event afaik.

I'm not saying the number of events has dropped off. What I am seeing this season, with multiple groups and PCA & BMW regions, is a drop off in attendnce.

Also, LV is ok in my book. He tries to pose as a tough guy bada$$, but he's really just a pussy cat in a large race suit. (BTW, if you're ever with him and he's eating chicken fingers and fries at Lime Rock, please keep your fingers away from his mouth.)

Maybe there is no drop-off at VIR because everyone wants to come and drive the Coach Peter track.....

I can tell you with reasonable certainty that every region and group I run with has been down significantly this season in terms of attendance.

I believe I have never portrayed myself as anything but sunshine and sweetness.

I also eat the turkey wrap now as the chicken fingers would repeat going into big bend!