August 16, 17: HCP and HVR DE @ Lime Rock Park
06-25-2019, 09:35 PM
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August 16, 17: HCP and HVR DE @ Lime Rock Park
The Hudson Champlain and Hudson Valley PCA regions are co-hosting a 2 day event on Aug 16th (Friday advanced driver day) and 17th (instructed novice and early solo group) at Lime Rock Park:
Aug 16: Hudson Champlain PCA and Hudson Valley PCA have teamed up to bring you 4 hours of open track time for our Advanced HPDE at Lime Rock Park. This advanced day (defined as drivers with >5 days in PCA white or equivalent) will offer you plenty of drive time and open track with a max of 40 other drivers.
Aug 17: The Hudson-Champlain and Hudson Valley Regions will be co-hosting a Novice Driver Education event at Lime Rock Park on Saturday, August 17th. This event, with a limited number of drivers and conveniently scheduled on a Saturday, is a great opportunity for novice drivers who want to experience a DE. The cost to register for this event is $299 for all non instructor drivers. Instructors registration cost is $49. Volunteer non-driving Instructors are always welcome.
Each of the three run groups, Green (all drivers instructed), Yellow (a mix of instructed and solo drivers) and Red (all instructors), are scheduled for 4 (four) 20-minute on-track sessions staggered throughout the day. White run group drivers with less than 5 days in White are welcome to register and will run with the Yellow run group. Classroom sessions to review theory and provide extra instruction will also be part of the schedule.
The noise limit for both days of this event is 88db and has been established by LRP management. Vehicles with stock exhaust systems do not have a problem with this policy.
This year we will be using ClubRegistration.net for all event registration. For additional information, contact Nick Grizey, Registrar, at registrar@hcp-pca.com.
Aug 16: Hudson Champlain PCA and Hudson Valley PCA have teamed up to bring you 4 hours of open track time for our Advanced HPDE at Lime Rock Park. This advanced day (defined as drivers with >5 days in PCA white or equivalent) will offer you plenty of drive time and open track with a max of 40 other drivers.
Aug 17: The Hudson-Champlain and Hudson Valley Regions will be co-hosting a Novice Driver Education event at Lime Rock Park on Saturday, August 17th. This event, with a limited number of drivers and conveniently scheduled on a Saturday, is a great opportunity for novice drivers who want to experience a DE. The cost to register for this event is $299 for all non instructor drivers. Instructors registration cost is $49. Volunteer non-driving Instructors are always welcome.
Each of the three run groups, Green (all drivers instructed), Yellow (a mix of instructed and solo drivers) and Red (all instructors), are scheduled for 4 (four) 20-minute on-track sessions staggered throughout the day. White run group drivers with less than 5 days in White are welcome to register and will run with the Yellow run group. Classroom sessions to review theory and provide extra instruction will also be part of the schedule.
The noise limit for both days of this event is 88db and has been established by LRP management. Vehicles with stock exhaust systems do not have a problem with this policy.
This year we will be using ClubRegistration.net for all event registration. For additional information, contact Nick Grizey, Registrar, at registrar@hcp-pca.com.
06-26-2019, 12:00 AM
#3
Pca and all other clubs should boycott and stop running events at limerock. This sound limit situation is a bunch of bs. Maybe they will change it if clubs stop going for a bit
06-26-2019, 09:38 AM
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Pca and all other clubs should boycott and stop running events at limerock. This sound limit situation is a bunch of bs. Maybe they will change it if clubs stop going for a bit
06-26-2019, 09:52 AM
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Yes, the noise limit (muffled vs unmuffled) is a result of a 1958 settlement that has been slightly modified over the years. Skip explained the situation back in 2011 like this. I believe this is still an accurate description of the matter though the names and/or numbers may have changed.
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Date: 03/04/2011
From: Skip Barber, Georgia Blades and Scott Mayo
As you know, exhaust noise has always been an issue at Lime Rock Park. We operate under a 1959 Court Injunction that stipulates: the number of weekends (10) that we can run unmuffled; other times we aren't restricted (Tuesday afternoons); the decibel limit for all other track days; and bans Sunday track use. There have been no changes in the injunction and we don't anticipate any court ordered reductions in noise levels. But we have growing criticism from some of our neighbors; some of which is justified:
1. Significant manufacturers like Porsche, Mercedes (AMG), and Ferrari are building street legal cars that at high speed and full throttle are "on the edge" of our required decibel limit. Given the right atmospheric conditions they go over the edge
2. There has been a major increase in the number of small manufactures building great track cars that are too noisey "out of the box"
3. More and more of our track users have cars in these two categories
4. The Skip Barber Racing School has steadily increased its use of "noisy" Miata's rather than relatively quiet single-seaters
5. There are a small number of SCCA race cars, mostly Porsches that turn up at multiple club events for "cheap" practice. They almost always need to "test" their "improved" exhaust systems, making too much noise in the process
For 25 years the track set a limit 1 dB level below the injunction requirement to be safe and never exceed the mandated limit, unless the exhaust system broke. Cars were checked while stationary, before going on the track, 1000 RPM below the redline, and theoretically never got on track if too loud. There was no on-track testing to check for compliance as there is now. Porsches had the most trouble complying and it was common to have a Lime Rock exhaust system.
Over the years the 1 dB margin has vanished and on-track testing has replaced stationary checking. A common scenario is that a car runs 4 or 5 laps; is too noisy; comes in to correct the problem (often with steel wool); goes out again; the steel wool blows out after a few laps and it takes a few more laps to get the car in. Then the process starts all over and by the end of the day the car has run multiple noisy laps.
And now we have more complaints.
We are going to deal with this proactively:
* We are going to reduce the total noise
* We are going to have a sound engineer calculate the total reduction
* We are going to tell the town what we have done and we are going to stick with it
We are NOT:
* Going to court to try to change the injunction
* Going to complain about the injunction
* Going to criticize the states motor vehicle laws or the measuring system
* Going to make the economic argument that the town needs a viable track - they know that
We want to stand in front of the town and say:
1. The total noise is down_____%
2. All quiet days are quieter
3. Even the biggest professional race, the American Le Mans Series, is down 2 dB
We are going away from a "one size fits all" dB limit; assigning every club a limit we think is reasonable in terms of cost, impact on performance, and effect on entries. We know "reasonable" doesn't always mean "easy" or "cheap." The new limit, effective immediately for your club BMW CT Valley Chapter is 87 db.
The two big problem groups are the school's Miatas and some Porsches, regardless of what club they run with. The school is fortunate - they have a new sponsor, Borla, who is building them all new complete exhaust systems. They have already tested under 83dB, their new limit at Lime Rock Park. This is a tremendous reduction - they have been running 88-89 dB, and they use the track more than 100 days each season.
Not so easy for some Porsches, so all Porsche clubs go down 1 dB; but we are going to rigidly enforce this. This 88dB limit is for non-race Porsche days - not for Porsche cars regardless of what club they are running with. So a Porsche limit would be:
88 dB Porsche Club Day
105 dB Porsche Race Day
87 dB BMW Club
86 dB PDA non-race
88 dB SCDA
88 dB Lime Rock Drivers Club
105 dB Tuesday afternoon Test & Tune
If any member of your club has a car they believe, but aren't certain, will meet the new limit, we will do our best to arrange a test at no charge. We will have some time in late March, in April, and some 5:00-6:00 p.m. time later on (by appointment only). Call Scott Mayo at 860-671-1403.
PLEASE don't let anyone come for testing or a club day with an unchanged car that was too noisy last year. This isn't about "beating the system" by short shifting or lifting off the throttle while being checked. This is about lending real meaning to the phrase, "We're all in this together."
Other contact numbers:
Georgia Blades - 860.671.1407
Skip Barber - 860.671.1409
============================
More recently a track lawsuit against the Town for Zoning rule changes is before the CT State Supreme Court. Depending, presumably, on the outcome of that the track's recent request/suit to modify the injunction will proceed though I would not be surprised to see any changes to the injunction result in further litigation.
==============================
Date: 03/04/2011
From: Skip Barber, Georgia Blades and Scott Mayo
As you know, exhaust noise has always been an issue at Lime Rock Park. We operate under a 1959 Court Injunction that stipulates: the number of weekends (10) that we can run unmuffled; other times we aren't restricted (Tuesday afternoons); the decibel limit for all other track days; and bans Sunday track use. There have been no changes in the injunction and we don't anticipate any court ordered reductions in noise levels. But we have growing criticism from some of our neighbors; some of which is justified:
1. Significant manufacturers like Porsche, Mercedes (AMG), and Ferrari are building street legal cars that at high speed and full throttle are "on the edge" of our required decibel limit. Given the right atmospheric conditions they go over the edge
2. There has been a major increase in the number of small manufactures building great track cars that are too noisey "out of the box"
3. More and more of our track users have cars in these two categories
4. The Skip Barber Racing School has steadily increased its use of "noisy" Miata's rather than relatively quiet single-seaters
5. There are a small number of SCCA race cars, mostly Porsches that turn up at multiple club events for "cheap" practice. They almost always need to "test" their "improved" exhaust systems, making too much noise in the process
For 25 years the track set a limit 1 dB level below the injunction requirement to be safe and never exceed the mandated limit, unless the exhaust system broke. Cars were checked while stationary, before going on the track, 1000 RPM below the redline, and theoretically never got on track if too loud. There was no on-track testing to check for compliance as there is now. Porsches had the most trouble complying and it was common to have a Lime Rock exhaust system.
Over the years the 1 dB margin has vanished and on-track testing has replaced stationary checking. A common scenario is that a car runs 4 or 5 laps; is too noisy; comes in to correct the problem (often with steel wool); goes out again; the steel wool blows out after a few laps and it takes a few more laps to get the car in. Then the process starts all over and by the end of the day the car has run multiple noisy laps.
And now we have more complaints.
We are going to deal with this proactively:
* We are going to reduce the total noise
* We are going to have a sound engineer calculate the total reduction
* We are going to tell the town what we have done and we are going to stick with it
We are NOT:
* Going to court to try to change the injunction
* Going to complain about the injunction
* Going to criticize the states motor vehicle laws or the measuring system
* Going to make the economic argument that the town needs a viable track - they know that
We want to stand in front of the town and say:
1. The total noise is down_____%
2. All quiet days are quieter
3. Even the biggest professional race, the American Le Mans Series, is down 2 dB
We are going away from a "one size fits all" dB limit; assigning every club a limit we think is reasonable in terms of cost, impact on performance, and effect on entries. We know "reasonable" doesn't always mean "easy" or "cheap." The new limit, effective immediately for your club BMW CT Valley Chapter is 87 db.
The two big problem groups are the school's Miatas and some Porsches, regardless of what club they run with. The school is fortunate - they have a new sponsor, Borla, who is building them all new complete exhaust systems. They have already tested under 83dB, their new limit at Lime Rock Park. This is a tremendous reduction - they have been running 88-89 dB, and they use the track more than 100 days each season.
Not so easy for some Porsches, so all Porsche clubs go down 1 dB; but we are going to rigidly enforce this. This 88dB limit is for non-race Porsche days - not for Porsche cars regardless of what club they are running with. So a Porsche limit would be:
88 dB Porsche Club Day
105 dB Porsche Race Day
87 dB BMW Club
86 dB PDA non-race
88 dB SCDA
88 dB Lime Rock Drivers Club
105 dB Tuesday afternoon Test & Tune
If any member of your club has a car they believe, but aren't certain, will meet the new limit, we will do our best to arrange a test at no charge. We will have some time in late March, in April, and some 5:00-6:00 p.m. time later on (by appointment only). Call Scott Mayo at 860-671-1403.
PLEASE don't let anyone come for testing or a club day with an unchanged car that was too noisy last year. This isn't about "beating the system" by short shifting or lifting off the throttle while being checked. This is about lending real meaning to the phrase, "We're all in this together."
Other contact numbers:
Georgia Blades - 860.671.1407
Skip Barber - 860.671.1409
============================
More recently a track lawsuit against the Town for Zoning rule changes is before the CT State Supreme Court. Depending, presumably, on the outcome of that the track's recent request/suit to modify the injunction will proceed though I would not be surprised to see any changes to the injunction result in further litigation.
06-26-2019, 06:25 PM
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Thanks mlct for digging up the origins of this sound limit and sharing.
Now, let's focus on what we love to do....drive. Hope to see you at this event!
Now, let's focus on what we love to do....drive. Hope to see you at this event!
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07-31-2019, 11:30 AM
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It is an all-day event. Registration is at www.clubregistration.net
Lime Rock gates open at 7am.....tech inspection line starts shortly thereafter.
Driver's meeting is usually around 8:15.
Lime Rock gates open at 7am.....tech inspection line starts shortly thereafter.
Driver's meeting is usually around 8:15.
08-11-2019, 08:31 PM
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It is an all-day event. Registration is at www.clubregistration.net
Lime Rock gates open at 7am.....tech inspection line starts shortly thereafter.
Driver's meeting is usually around 8:15.
Lime Rock gates open at 7am.....tech inspection line starts shortly thereafter.
Driver's meeting is usually around 8:15.