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Do lap timers encourage bad behavior?

Old 06-21-2019, 08:25 PM
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:33 PM
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It's priceless which means insurance on it will cost a ton.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:45 AM
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What if the fastest time in each run group got a 25% off coupon for the next event?
Old 06-22-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RobertR1
What if the fastest time in each run group got a 25% off coupon for the next event?
I would punt a Boxster clear off the track for a 25% off coupon! Twice if it was a PDK.
Old 06-22-2019, 09:39 AM
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Lap timers definitely encourage bad behavior. I wouldn't replace Hoosiers nearly as often if I didn't have a lap timer.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I would punt a Boxster clear off the track for a 25% off coupon! Twice if it was a PDK.
But you’d leave the Caymans alone, yes?
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Some of these ideas can be combined. For example, data acquisition can be used not only as a tool to help drop lap time, but the data can also be analyzed to judge whether the driver is engaging in bad behavior, and the insurance premium can be adjust accordingly (both discount for good behavior, and higher premium or cancellation for bad behavior). It's not a new idea, been around for years:

https://www.insurancejournal.com/new.../18/389327.htm
https://www.naic.org/cipr_topics/top..._insurance.htm
https://blog.gallagherbassett.com.au...ased-insurance

Of course, using data to judge behavior on track may be more challenging than on the road, since we intentionally push cars hard on the track and generate high g-forces and speeds. But everyone who's spent a lot of time in the right seat has an intuitive sense of what bad behavior looks, feels, and sounds like - independent of the lap time - and it should be possible to find patterns in the data which correlate strongly with that intuitive sense.

Moreover, if drivers know that a insurance company is observing their driving behavior through data, and will fairly adjust their premium based on that behavior (not based simply on lap time, top speeds, peak g-forces, etc.), that should weed out the minority of drivers who intended to buy insurance so that they could behave badly, and would motivate the drivers who do buy the insurance to not behave badly.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I would punt a Boxster clear off the track for a 25% off coupon! Twice if it was a PDK.
I take this quite personally...
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Originally Posted by Paul Solk
I take this quite personally...
I would punt a Grey Goose liveried Boxster clear off the track for a 25% off coupon! Twice if it was a PDK.

Better now?
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I would punt a Grey Goose liveried Boxster clear off the track for a 25% off coupon! Twice if it was a PDK.

Better now?
My car weighs 1150 pounds. When I try punting I’m yelling in my head “can you feel that, huh?” But sadly they don’t.
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Originally Posted by Coochas
My car weighs 1150 pounds. When I try punting I’m yelling in my head “can you feel that, huh?” But sadly they don’t.
This comment makes it way too easy so I'm just going to leave it there.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
This comment makes it way too easy so I'm just going to leave it there.
Explains his interest in the gummy worm, don't it
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
This comment makes it way too easy so I'm just going to leave it there.
Yes Luigi. That’s the joke.
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Originally Posted by Coochas
My car weighs 1150 pounds. When I try punting I’m yelling in my head “can you feel that, huh?” But sadly they don’t.
Remember the fly and the elephant video from about 20 years ago?


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