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Old 05-31-2019, 09:25 AM
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I agree that it's life and death. If someone misses a flag on-track or takes the wrong action when thrown, of course sit them down for a session or two. But if they've only gotten a question wrong, tell them the answer, go over the flags with them again. Hell, even make them sit down and study until they can come back with the right answer and action for all the flags, however long that takes. But don't mandate that they sit out the morning as some sort of childish punishment unless you're also willing to give them part of their fees back. Make a stupid mistake on-track? Yup. Have a seat for a few hours and think about how you directly put people in danger. Miss a question? Learn the answer, commit to doing the right thing, go out there, and drive.

All this being said, it's about event expectations. If there's some sort of stipulation in the track pack or registration process that says, "By paying these fees, you agree that we can sit you down for [reasons] with no money back," then all bets are off.
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Originally Posted by mgordon18 View Post
While I agree with this in principle, if you sit me for the morning because I miss a question in the drivers' meeting, I'd better see 1/4 of my registration fees come back to my credit card...
No worries, skip the drivers meeting.
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Originally Posted by mgordon18 View Post
All this being said, it's about event expectations. If there's some sort of stipulation in the track pack or registration process that says, "By paying these fees, you agree that we can sit you down for [reasons] with no money back," then all bets are off.
Having operated and attended non-competitive, DE and competitive track events for decades, a majority of them (at least the smart ones) have this wording INCLUDED as an acknowledgement of these conditions by the entrant.

The organizer can excuse an entrant for part or all of the event at their discretion, without recourse. And that's a good thing, sometimes...
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the idea in this process is it puts additional focus/urgency to knowing whatever it is you are getting quizzed on. you don't want to look the fool, and you don't want to have to sit out. my guess, performance on flag quizzes improves quickly.

"Make a stupid mistake on-track? Yup. Have a seat for a few hours and think about how you directly put people in danger. Miss a question?"

If you miss the question in the meeting, you aren't going to do it right on the track.....so yeah, missing the question equates to a stupid mistake on track...hence this whole thread. just proposing that part of the reason it goes on is it isn't handled with the proper gravity.
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How many tracks have a critter flag like Road America?
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This is part of the materials for the Belle Isle GP this weekend and highlights some of the differences in flag protocol.
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Originally Posted by Bull_D View Post
the idea in this process is it puts additional focus/urgency to knowing whatever it is you are getting quizzed on. you don't want to look the fool, and you don't want to have to sit out. my guess, performance on flag quizzes improves quickly.

"Make a stupid mistake on-track? Yup. Have a seat for a few hours and think about how you directly put people in danger. Miss a question?"

If you miss the question in the meeting, you aren't going to do it right on the track.....so yeah, missing the question equates to a stupid mistake on track...hence this whole thread. just proposing that part of the reason it goes on is it isn't handled with the proper gravity.
I like the idea but instead of sitting them down for a session, I wold try to teach them. Call their instructor over and have a conversation about it. If they are a solo student then I would try to put an instructor in their car for a while. If they balk at that, I wold show them the gate.
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I was at an HPDE at Barber this weekend. The track marshal gave the flag talk. In five minutes, best this flag means "x" and you react "y", I have heard. Clear and concise. Yes, more details could be added, but for someone experienced a great reminder and for the beginner, not an overwhelming amount of info.

I have been following this thread and paid close attention to how the flags would be presented at this event. Wanted to give a shout out to Barber for their presentation.
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Originally Posted by RolleiBob View Post
I was at an HPDE at Barber this weekend. The track marshal gave the flag talk. In five minutes, best this flag means "x" and you react "y", I have heard. Clear and concise. Yes, more details could be added, but for someone experienced a great reminder and for the beginner, not an overwhelming amount of info.

I have been following this thread and paid close attention to how the flags would be presented at this event. Wanted to give a shout out to Barber for their presentation.
This probably matters more than it seems - nobody likes a driver's meeting that goes on and on and on....

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