Originally Posted by zedcat
(Post 15867977)
I've asked that question more than once at COTA drivers meetings because it does vary.
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Originally Posted by jdistefa
(Post 15867971)
Talking and sort of listening is a crappy way to learn something that is a visual cue seen under some degree of stress.
If we collectively actually cared about this topic (as we seem to agree re. safety) then flag drills should be run at every event. Best to learn, review, execute with simulation rather than blah blah blah that apparently few people listen to. |
Originally Posted by bcp2011
(Post 15868167)
Seriously? I don’t mean that in a dismissive way just really surprised. In my limited experience with about ten orgs red is always a safe and controlled stop with view of a corner station offline.
To be honest I prefer the FIA rule. Being stopped on a track I feel like a sitting duck. Have had two near misses due to drivers not seeing the red and flying past my stopped car. |
Originally Posted by jdistefa
Talking and sort of listening is a crappy way to learn something that is a visual cue seen under some degree of stress.
If we collectively actually cared about this topic (as we seem to agree re. safety) then flag drills should be run at every event. Best to learn, review, execute with simulation rather than blah blah blah that apparently few people listen to. Regarding COTA, they are unique in the US. They run on FIA rules which means red flag equates to black flag all. Some events they run use this approach. PCA and a few other groups overrule this and use the more common US meaning of red. |
Originally Posted by zedcat
(Post 15868197)
To be honest I prefer the FIA rule. Being stopped on a track I feel like a sitting duck. Have had two near misses due to drivers not seeing the red and flying past my stopped car.
Second, sometimes you really need to stop. There was a 7 car incident this past weekend at mid o where a driver spun in thunder valley in a race. That’s a blind downhill corner so if you’re going into it not expecting to stop very quickly it’ll be ugly. |
Originally Posted by bcp2011
Live blogging from a chin event. Drivers meeting did not cover flags.
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Originally Posted by bcp2011
Live blogging from a chin event. Drivers meeting did not cover flags...
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Originally Posted by Dr911
Just FYI: The standard Chin drivers meeting format is to have one large group meeting and then split into 4 groups: novice, intermediate, advanced and instructors groups. The flags are always covered in the novice group meeting.
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Originally Posted by bcp2011
I usually run with NASA and starting in group 2 (out of 4) they run live flag drills with red and black flags. Anyone not seeing them will have a conversation and not be allowed to progress if they intend to do that during that weekend. So I think the solution is to help drill it in, no pun intended.
Second, sometimes you really need to stop. There was a 7 car incident this past weekend at mid o where a driver spun in thunder valley in a race. That’s a blind downhill corner so if you’re going into it not expecting to stop very quickly it’ll be ugly. Facebook Post Not sure if this will go through |
I ran this weekend with OnGrid.
They have some pretty good rules. Among them; Passing under yellow earns you a black flag. Spin or get two wheels off under yellow earns black flag Two off track events in one session you are off track for one session earns two black flags Three black flags during the event you are done for the day Surprised at how many earn the three black flag award |
Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU
(Post 15868971)
Perhaps that's the point--only in the novice group meeting and not in any of the more advanced groups...because it's presumed to be known. Bad presumption. As another poster wrote, several of the flags rarely come out, thus making it easier to not remember, particularly under pressure.
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Originally Posted by bcp2011
(Post 15868170)
Agreed. First session out today I gave a point by as I saw a yellow. Viper blew by about 40mph faster the next second... I was in my checkout ride so the car was noted as passing under yellow.
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
(Post 15869703)
Why would you give a point by to pass when there was no passing allowed (under yellow)?
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PLNewman - sounds like you really get the best students. Wow.
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
(Post 15869703)
Why would you give a point by to pass when there was no passing allowed (under yellow)?
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