Frank 993 C4S

2014 Final Registration: 263 registered in Sprint, 200 registered for the Enduro
2015 Final Registration: 261 registered in Sprint, 198 registered for the Enduro
2016 Final Registration: 262 registered in Sprint, 202 registered for the Enduro
2017 Final Registration: 246 registered in Sprint, 178 registered for the Enduro
2018 Final Registration: 240 registered in Sprint, 175 registered for the Enduro
2019 So far: 149 registered in Sprint. 111 registered in the Enduro

Nizer

Ratio: enduro to sprint
2015: 76%
2016: 77%
2017: 72%
2018: 73%
2019: 74%

Bang in the middle of the range so far.

It'll be interesting to see where final overall numbers come in.

bauerjab

Move enduro to Saturday and make it 90 minutes. Yes, that ship has sailed.

Will be interesting to see if you can get a show of hands at Glen driver meeting for 60 and 90 minutes.

Fumes

I hope so - if not someone should call it out in the meeting.

LuigiVampa

I think the tallest guy in the room should do it so we can get an accurate headcount. Thanks for volunteering Fumes!

FredC

That's the hope. But hope isn't a strategy

Fumes

not me im too proper

LuigiVampa

Fumes and I got a chance to speak with Mike Bryan, Zone 1 Rep., at the LRP race, regarding the 90 minute versus 60 minute enduro debate.

Mike appeared to agree in principal that a vote at the enduro driver's meeting would be a good thing to do. Once Fumes released him from a headlock he thanked us and ran away. Just kidding - we were very nice.

On a side note, Mike handed out all the awards for the LRP race, and with his British accent (I guess British), it made everything sound so much more official. Too many years of watching F1 I guess!

Frank 993 C4S

Update:

2014 Final Registration: 263 registered in Sprint, 200 (76%) registered for the Enduro
2015 Final Registration: 261 registered in Sprint, 198 (76%) registered for the Enduro
2016 Final Registration: 262 registered in Sprint, 202 (77%) registered for the Enduro
2017 Final Registration: 246 registered in Sprint, 178 (72%) registered for the Enduro
2018 Final Registration: 240 registered in Sprint, 175 (73%) registered for the Enduro
2019 Current Registration: 215 registered in Sprint. 153 (71%) registered in the Enduro

Fumes

lowest car count since ??

ouch.

#bringBackTheEnduro

though attendance sadly steadily declining anyways.

perhaps enduro may not be having an impact on overall attendance (but has increased internet gripes by enduro-lovers measurably)


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LuigiVampa

....and there is your answer right there. The people have spoken.

Kein_Ersatz

"Maybe" the racers have spoken, but the need for Volunteers seems to fade into the background of this "what's in it for me" discussion thread. A Race Chair can't just walk into ManPower and recruit volunteers. As was pointed our already, the Chair explained the reason for the change. Acting like this is a for profit enterprise and all that matters is the racers is very short sighted. Without an army of volunteers, no one goes racing. Many "big" PCA hosted Race venues are in decline for racer attendance as have been the 2nd tier tracks for the past 5+ years, or dropping the venue altogether. This 4yr historical data can be interrupted many ways, the length of an enduro is just one factor. Share your opinions and preferences with the Chair, but try an remember you are not the only factor. And I will add, many other venues long ago added a DE run group (or two) to supplement the decline in racer attendance (long before an endure time was changed at WGI), and a PCA DE brings many positives more than offsetting the loss of a race run group. So be careful not to cut off ones nose to spite ones face. Once an Advanced DE is in the run group weekend mix, it will be hard to allocate back the run group to racers "once the people have spoken".

Remember, we are all in this together. Life is short, now go have fun and be safe out there!

LuigiVampa

I think you need to read the thread better before you set out on this tone.

I've spent a lot of time, and so have others, having multiple conversations with the race chair to find what is best. Accordingly, it's not "what's in it for me" or I want it my way.

What is short sighted is not understanding that you need enough racers to pay the expenses of the day so that if you don't have enough the race becomes unprofitable and goes away. Car count is important.

We are searching for a middle ground - not necessarily I want it my way. As someone who has volunteered for races before I started racing I understand what the volunteers do. As someone who races I understand how important they are. No lectures needed to understand the issues. I'm greatly appreciative for all volunteers.

smf32s

I think car counts are down in general except for a few spec classes. I don't see the excitement for the track with younger people. Racing in general is having lighter counts everywhere.

Stu

MarcD147

Gtc3 is the biggest class amongst the cup cars this year