PLNewman

As a follow-up to an associated thread... "How do I make a safe off-line pass?"
1- Brake later, deeper, harder into the brake zone
2- Maintain your entry lane until you clear the car being passed
3- Slow your car enough to join the apex in progress

Other suggestions?

LuigiVampa

Drive with people that you can trust!

jlanka

from the other thread: By deeper, you mean initial brake application sooner, or initial brake application at the same time as if you were on-line but hold the brakes longer?

PLNewman

Application later and harder...then regulate whether you have (1) cleared traffic (release earlier) or (2) have to share the turn (50/50) with another car (hold braking longer), because you won't be able to fully track out. But, above all, don't PARK the car in the turn...maintain momentum.

Bill Lehman

Here's how I do it. Turn in later.

mhm993

I thought I'd see Bill passing me.....
1:24

Yeah, pretty much brake deep, brake hard and turn in late.

winders

The first step is to have actually practiced driving off line. One thing I see people almost never do in practice is practice driving on parts of the track they may have to use when passing other cars. This would include cars that are in and out of your class. Most people seem to want to practice the qualifying line only. I will practice later and earlier than ideal apexes. I will practice being a car width or more off the apex. I do this so I know what the track is like where I might be in a race passing situation. I learned to do this when I was racing motorcycles. Motorcycle racing is a lot more intense in the corners with multiple bikes taking multiple lines. You often found yourself in spots on the track you would never purposely choose.

I have had several otherwise excellent drivers comes up to me and tell me they thought my lines were terrible or that said that I could not hit an apex. They had know idea that I might be practicing driving offline.

Der ABT

PLAN FOR THE EXIT
too often people initiate the pass with all thought at apex and expect the other person to give up once a little ahead
(yet not a completed pass)
only to squeeze the other person at exit.

You cant just hope they leave your room


in DE......to me it should be one theme
FLOW.......the less harm you cause to the flow the happier we all are......going side by side is fun but slower....so if you have two cars catching you keep it in mind and make help if you can.
if your going to pass someone where offline requires everyone to slow way down ...think about pausing and taking it at exit.

generally this works....but not always...just like walking in a busy mall at holiday times....your bound to bump someone

BFT3.2

The "choreography", respect and awareness of the three of you at 0:29 was perfect. The Vette could of easily waited till after turn 1 but he kept the flow going by pointing you by on the front straight.

Frank 993 C4S

As demonstrated by the two experienced gentlemen above, don't dive to the inside, rather use as much radius as you can while still giving some room to the car on your outside. Off line does not mean on the far inside of the track.

HenryPcar

Have your butt meter calibrated. In other words, lots of track time and HPDE.

Olemiss540

If the person being passed does not tuck in behind you, assume they are right at your door. Never ASSUME a car is clear of you, ALWAYS verify a cars position (just like driving on the street).

Most drivers I run with make it a point to tuck in BEHIND me as quickly as possible when being passed as this allows the overtaking driver to refocus on the task at hand.

dgrobs

Later..

Edit: Sorry, already been answered by OP. But yes, later and harder....

mrbill_fl

DE's are not test days.
People do stuff you don't expect on a race track. Like slow down unexpectedly, for no apparent reason when they were running fast laps and I'm setting up a pass...
Who slows down on a track? DE drivers! forced me to go off at the tower turn to miss hitting a SC...

It sux, but it just part of the risk of going to the track. but not parking the GT3 driver makes no sense, if they saw that video.

fatbillybob

If discussing this don't we have to discuss the "porsche chop?"