Thoughts on Crash Damage Responsibility?
02-19-2019, 09:30 PM
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02-19-2019, 11:38 PM
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(example) If Joe wants to run a (beautiful) high dollar 991 GT3R and get plowed by a rookie in a self serviced 996GT3 Cup.... Then that is the risk he accepts running that car as do all car owners. The 996 Cup owner even though is at fault, is by no means a dick for not offering to help pay for the repairs for a car worth as much as a house. It is just not feasable. And even if it were feasable, you can see what direction things would go.
My senario is extreme, but it is an example of why damage repairs cannot be expected to be paid. It leaves the door wide open. Club Racing would become parade laps as opposed to actual racing if everybody had to pay for accident damage. Not that we drive harder because it is a free pass, but you get the idea.
There is always 944 racing. Those are disposables with multple cars for parts in the owners backyards. Not a bad gig.
My senario is extreme, but it is an example of why damage repairs cannot be expected to be paid. It leaves the door wide open. Club Racing would become parade laps as opposed to actual racing if everybody had to pay for accident damage. Not that we drive harder because it is a free pass, but you get the idea.
There is always 944 racing. Those are disposables with multple cars for parts in the owners backyards. Not a bad gig.
02-19-2019, 11:49 PM
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02-19-2019, 11:54 PM
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Agree, the OP's justification doesnt take into account his agreement to pay the full deductible nor the fact that Stu was paying the premiums on that policy that OP benefited from.
02-19-2019, 11:56 PM
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I dont think he was trying to offend, nor was he saying literally that 944's are disposable. Only that a 944 is easier to write off if forced to do so than a 991R......
02-20-2019, 12:27 AM
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02-20-2019, 01:23 AM
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Lol. Just kidding. I know what they cost to build and keep running. Not exactly cheap or disposable. But compared to these $$ Cups, it appears to be a smart way to go racing.
02-20-2019, 02:56 AM
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As a guy racing a cup, I always am piqued by Clark’s contempt for cup owners. Give it a rest, would you? Some day I’d like to have a beer with you so you could explain your experiences which have led to this level of derision. Back on point, I have been hit now twice, most recently at the last PCA club race at Buttonwillow last November. The guy in front of me somehow lost control of his car as soon as he hit the brakes in turn one, veering off to the left, creating a black cloud of dust so dense, it was barely possible to make out the edge of the track. I slowed down as quickly as I could, staying to the right side of the track edge, but he found me when he careened back onto the track. I was already stopped when he hit me. 12k worth of damage. No apology. Even the stewards didn’t even act like they gave a crap. Yeah, it gives a bad taste in my mouth when I remember it because happening on the second lap of Saturday’s second practice, all the prep, hotel costs, extended family and their hotel costs, etc. went down the toilet. But, the car is fixed, and the season is beginning and I am excited to get back out there. **** happens. There are some strange people out there. Human nature is a strange and unpredictable thing. But by and large most people I meet in the paddock are enthusiasts and gentlemen and it’s a great adventure.
02-20-2019, 04:05 AM
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People are convoluting money and apology
Making a mistake on track and owning up it and apologizing = expected and creates the right attitude for all
Writing a check for someone else's damage you may have had a hand in creating = not expected, but in some circumstances ok or ok to offer to wrench and help the guy get back out there
Bring to track what you are comfortable leaving without - for each of us that's different and why this model works
Someone's 1k is another's 1M
I've been hit and I have hit / it's racing / it happens. I've neither paid nor been paid.
Making a mistake on track and owning up it and apologizing = expected and creates the right attitude for all
Writing a check for someone else's damage you may have had a hand in creating = not expected, but in some circumstances ok or ok to offer to wrench and help the guy get back out there
Bring to track what you are comfortable leaving without - for each of us that's different and why this model works
Someone's 1k is another's 1M
I've been hit and I have hit / it's racing / it happens. I've neither paid nor been paid.
02-20-2019, 07:48 AM
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And, I've seen crazy sh*t in every class. It doesn't take competence to get a PCA race license, just a check.
02-20-2019, 08:03 AM
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A complication not being discussed is when the responsibility for contact is not clear to the drivers involved. If the expectation is to pay if responsible then you are putting the stewards in a tough spot, as they are charged with determining fault and, by extension, who is financially responsible. Not a huge deal if it is $100 in paint damage, but if a long-time club racer in a 996 takes out a new gt3r they may be sentencing the driver to the end of his/her racing career and a second mortgage to pay the debt. As a steward I don’t mind sitting someone down for a weekend, but want no part of committing them to financial ruin. And probably materially reducing the number of moderate income folks in club racing.
Race what you can afford to fix with zero expectation that your car is anyone’s responsibility but your own. If I could afford to fix an R I would race one, but I can’t so I don’t. Apologizing and offering to help the driver work on the car to get it back out (or pushing the now junker on the hauler), mandatory.
Race what you can afford to fix with zero expectation that your car is anyone’s responsibility but your own. If I could afford to fix an R I would race one, but I can’t so I don’t. Apologizing and offering to help the driver work on the car to get it back out (or pushing the now junker on the hauler), mandatory.