Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Why do drifters talk about things like "the line"?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-12-2019, 02:31 PM
  #1  
sugarwood
Pro
Thread Starter
 
sugarwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 729
Received 31 Likes on 18 Posts
Default Why do drifters talk about things like "the line"?

Drifting is not about going fast.
They seems to be going slow.
Old 02-12-2019, 02:36 PM
  #2  
stownsen914
Three Wheelin'
 
stownsen914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Ossining, NY
Posts: 1,784
Received 268 Likes on 172 Posts
Default

Dunno. They do "racing" things to set up their cars that wouldn't seem necessary given how they drive them. Maybe it's just cool (to some).
Old 02-12-2019, 02:45 PM
  #3  
LuigiVampa
WRONGLY ACCUSED!
Rennlist Member
 
LuigiVampa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Connecticut Valley Region
Posts: 14,470
Received 3,287 Likes on 1,589 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stownsen914
Dunno. They do "racing" things to set up their cars that wouldn't seem necessary given how they drive them. Maybe it's just cool (to some).
+1

It reminds me of speedwalking races. Instead of spinning your tires why don't you just drive the line but I assume there are rules to it.

Unless I am in a rental car I am not interested in drifting.
Old 02-12-2019, 02:53 PM
  #4  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,648
Received 1,415 Likes on 756 Posts
Default

Top level drifters have superb car control
Old 02-12-2019, 04:00 PM
  #5  
Paul Solk
Burning Brakes
 
Paul Solk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,068
Received 120 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Top level drifters have superb car control
This.....

http://youtu.be/xr6Zcgm1p1E

http://youtu.be/qW789mcaYLA
Old 02-12-2019, 04:40 PM
  #6  
LuigiVampa
WRONGLY ACCUSED!
Rennlist Member
 
LuigiVampa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Connecticut Valley Region
Posts: 14,470
Received 3,287 Likes on 1,589 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Top level drifters have superb car control
I get it, absolutely, but I guess there are rules to how they race because it is clearly not the fastest way around the track.

There is one aspect of the (ahem) drifting culture that I am in full appreciation of -

Old 02-12-2019, 05:27 PM
  #7  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,648
Received 1,415 Likes on 756 Posts
Default

Oh hell to the yes! But it doesn't compare to MotoGP and FIA World Superbike
Old 02-12-2019, 06:16 PM
  #8  
gbuff
Rennlist Member
 
gbuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,143
Received 366 Likes on 262 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Top level drifters have superb car control
Ken Block.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/k...oonigan-video/

Gary
Old 02-12-2019, 07:04 PM
  #9  
sbelles
I'm in....
Rennlist Member
 
sbelles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Here some and there some
Posts: 12,092
Received 247 Likes on 167 Posts
Default

What would you expect them to talk about? There's still a 'line', turn-in points etc. In order to do it well, you have to hit the marks.
Old 02-12-2019, 08:01 PM
  #10  
Thundermoose
Burning Brakes
 
Thundermoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,105
Received 103 Likes on 72 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by sugarwood
Drifting is not about going fast.
They seems to be going slow.
There car control is superb. It's not obvious but no matter what's going on with back end, their front wheels are pointed exactly where they want to go which can very difficult when making transitions.

If you ever get a chance to drive a skid pad you will appreciate how difficult drifting is.
Old 02-12-2019, 08:03 PM
  #11  
Coochas
Rennlist Member
 
Coochas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 01776
Posts: 9,922
Received 394 Likes on 203 Posts
Default

Admittedly I would like to be able to drift in a circle around a guy moving on a Segway a la Ken Block.
Old 02-12-2019, 08:15 PM
  #12  
Streak
Perfect Angel
Rennlist Member
 
Streak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Pale
Posts: 7,896
Received 160 Likes on 76 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by sbelles
What would you expect them to talk about? There's still a 'line', turn-in points etc. In order to do it well, you have to hit the marks.
This

Some competitions give or take points for hitting certain marks. It also probably helps the second guy to know exactly where you are thru all the smoke.

They come to Summit once is a while. I won't lie, it's quite the spectacle. They put on a good show. Way more people in the stands than a club race
Old 02-12-2019, 08:34 PM
  #13  
stownsen914
Three Wheelin'
 
stownsen914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Ossining, NY
Posts: 1,784
Received 268 Likes on 172 Posts
Default

Drifting surely requires excellent car control - better than I have. Ken Block is the master, and does some really impressive and cool stuff.

The point I was making in my earlier post was that it seems like the drifter cars are dressed up to look like racecars with features that may not be functional. One example - I've noticed many drift cars have wings. Are they helpful at typical drifting speeds?
Old 02-13-2019, 09:49 AM
  #14  
MyNameIdeasWereT
Pro
 
MyNameIdeasWereT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Dahlonega, GA
Posts: 508
Received 74 Likes on 52 Posts
Default

There's a difference between professional drifting and throwing a beat up Nissan around a few corners sideways.
There's also a difference between full lap drifting, drift racing, and drifting through sections for show points.

As with any form of driving, there is always a line. As you start to learn how to drift, it is easiest to approach it by attempting to corner as fast as possible and steering with your right foot. There are many times when oversteering through a corner will result in a faster time than braking and gripping, which follows a slightly different line on the trac. Once you have mastered drifting for speed, then you can start to play with breaking the back end loose just for show.

Wings are in fact a necessity since some of these guys are approaching corners at well over 100mph before putting it sideways. When you're driving a stripped out car with a heavy V10 at the front, you need all the help you can get at the rear. Admittedly, once you're sideways through a corner, the wing doesn't do much. But it's still needed for the sections between the corners.

As for why drift cars look like racecars... What are you referencing?
Numbers, names, and sponsors are on the cars because it's a huge spectator event, just like any other series of motor sports.
Safety equipment is needed because it's still pushing a car to its limits.
Aero parts are needed because the cars still need to be balanced. While this balance might not be seeking 50/50 weight distribution, there is still a balance that is crucial to obtain and will need to be tweaked depending on the track.



Quick Reply: Why do drifters talk about things like "the line"?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 02:09 PM.