Track pads for $$$ or Stock pads for life?
01-11-2019, 09:33 AM
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Pruetfann makes a key point in this thread regarding where to compromise. One of the biggest problems/risks with running OEM / street pads on the track is that they don't have as high of a maximum operating temperature as an actual racing pad like the Ferodo DS1.11. But what is even more concerning is how the pad behaves when it does reach its max operating temp. Many, if not most, street pads give up incredibly quickly when they get to their max temp. You feel that as pad fade. You stand on the brake pedal, it remains hard, but the car doesn't slow. If you've ever had that happen on track, it is a huge pucker factor. We've seen this on customer cars, our own cars, and on our brake dyno. The coefficient of friction (or mu) of the street pad changes constantly with temperature. When it reaches a certain temperature, the mu starts to decline. On a good metallic race pad, that fall-off is gradual over several hundred degrees. That means you have some warning as it occurs on track, and you know it's time to give your brakes a little breather to cool down. Street pads tend NOT to do that. Instead, their mu curve typically falls off a cliff. They don't let go and bow out gracefully and gradually. Instead, they just stop working almost immediately. Obviously that adds in an element of considerable risk.
To the OP...if you want to try a pad that has barely any squeal on the street, but still has a very high max operating temperature, and a gradual decline in mu at high temps, check out the Ferodo DS2500. We've had customers accidentally and intentionally run them on various racetracks. Many of our Essex/AP Racing brake kit customers use them in their cars, and many leave them in all the time. They won't give you the maximum wear rate of the DS1.11, but they do have better street manners and will be less risky than OEM. They have plenty of cold bite and are super easy on discs. The DS2500 is also less expensive than the DS1.11. A full set of front and rear DS2500 for your car is $672. Give them a shot. I think you'll be pleased, and my hunch is that they'll be the compromise you're seeking.
https://www.essexparts.com/my-vehicl...ok/Iron%20disc
To the OP...if you want to try a pad that has barely any squeal on the street, but still has a very high max operating temperature, and a gradual decline in mu at high temps, check out the Ferodo DS2500. We've had customers accidentally and intentionally run them on various racetracks. Many of our Essex/AP Racing brake kit customers use them in their cars, and many leave them in all the time. They won't give you the maximum wear rate of the DS1.11, but they do have better street manners and will be less risky than OEM. They have plenty of cold bite and are super easy on discs. The DS2500 is also less expensive than the DS1.11. A full set of front and rear DS2500 for your car is $672. Give them a shot. I think you'll be pleased, and my hunch is that they'll be the compromise you're seeking.
https://www.essexparts.com/my-vehicl...ok/Iron%20disc
01-14-2019, 01:45 PM
#48
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+1
I use FCP for rotors on a 997. I run cross-drilled ATE with PFC08. PFC's kill rotors but FCP takes them back and sends me new ones. The cost "savings" isn't that great becuase rotors are heavy and you have to pay the shipping back. For some reason they didn't carry the Sebro slotted when ordered but I think they have them now. I might switch to those.
Any non-race pad isn't going to be up to snuff what you start getting faster.
I use FCP for rotors on a 997. I run cross-drilled ATE with PFC08. PFC's kill rotors but FCP takes them back and sends me new ones. The cost "savings" isn't that great becuase rotors are heavy and you have to pay the shipping back. For some reason they didn't carry the Sebro slotted when ordered but I think they have them now. I might switch to those.
Any non-race pad isn't going to be up to snuff what you start getting faster.
01-14-2019, 02:15 PM
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<rant>
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
I don't care how much money someone might have to throw around, there's nothing wrong with finding places to save a few dollars, as long as it makes sense - and that's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. My finances are ok, but I'm trying to actually budget for this season, as I'll be going to more and more events, not to mention working out the schedule with my wife (who thinks this sport is both expensive and dangerous - she's right) and two small kids. Reducing the money I spend on it helps one of those factors...as long as I'm staying safe. Finding where that balance lies is where this thread starts.
</rant>
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
I don't care how much money someone might have to throw around, there's nothing wrong with finding places to save a few dollars, as long as it makes sense - and that's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. My finances are ok, but I'm trying to actually budget for this season, as I'll be going to more and more events, not to mention working out the schedule with my wife (who thinks this sport is both expensive and dangerous - she's right) and two small kids. Reducing the money I spend on it helps one of those factors...as long as I'm staying safe. Finding where that balance lies is where this thread starts.
</rant>
01-14-2019, 03:50 PM
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<rant>
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
The Porsche owners that I know are not A-holes, and that includes you. In my best Aaron Rodgers voice: "R-E-L-A-X". It's all good. Your question was a valid one. Don't take it to heart.
Reminds of a joke I once heard:
What's the difference between a Porsche and a Porcupine?
01-14-2019, 03:57 PM
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01-18-2019, 05:45 PM
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All of us here have ALREADY made the choice of paying extra money for increased performance and a more enjoyable experience... when we decided to buy a Porsche.
If you are okay with a mediocre experience at a lower price, sell the car and buy a BRZ/86.
If you are okay with a mediocre experience at a lower price, sell the car and buy a BRZ/86.
01-18-2019, 06:01 PM
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What track pads would you recommend for my new BRZ?
01-18-2019, 06:19 PM
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I don't know what this means. Does it mean we should buy the highest performing gear all the time? I assume you must have a GT2, if that's the case, or at least a GT3RS. Everyone draws their expense line somewhere, depending on return on investment. That's what this thread is about. I've gotten a lot of great advice so far - to the point where I'm convinced that the extra money for track pads is probably worth it, both in terms of performance and safety.
What track pads would you recommend for my new BRZ?
What track pads would you recommend for my new BRZ?
02-04-2019, 02:34 PM
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<rant>
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
I don't care how much money someone might have to throw around, there's nothing wrong with finding places to save a few dollars, as long as it makes sense - and that's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. My finances are ok, but I'm trying to actually budget for this season, as I'll be going to more and more events, not to mention working out the schedule with my wife (who thinks this sport is both expensive and dangerous - she's right) and two small kids. Reducing the money I spend on it helps one of those factors...as long as I'm staying safe. Finding where that balance lies is where this thread starts.
</rant>
I ignored the "If you have to ask..." comment the first time it came up, but now that someone has seconded it, I gotta reply: This is the snobbiest, most uninclusive thing you could possibly say - and it helps perpetuate the stereotype that Porsche owners are a**holes.
I don't care how much money someone might have to throw around, there's nothing wrong with finding places to save a few dollars, as long as it makes sense - and that's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. My finances are ok, but I'm trying to actually budget for this season, as I'll be going to more and more events, not to mention working out the schedule with my wife (who thinks this sport is both expensive and dangerous - she's right) and two small kids. Reducing the money I spend on it helps one of those factors...as long as I'm staying safe. Finding where that balance lies is where this thread starts.
</rant>
Amen to that. I am in the same boat.
jeff