Porsche Air-Cooled Cup USA Series
#136
Rennlist Member
Maybe it's time for PCA to start combining letter classes by adjusting "stock" weights. Yes we end up racing the cars around us and that is why were racing in the first place. But it would be nice to know that your platform could actually be competitive to start with. As it is, many are weight/power penalized out of the box and it's not fun when you start with that handicap in addition to the talent penalty. Whatever happens, Club Racing will still be a blast and a tremendous bang for the buck
#137
Racer
I've always thought the weights required in the letter classes realistic and the best drivers were the ones at the top. Really don't see your point when all in the class have to meet the specs? I'm more curious of what they come up with to make a D car able to compete with a 3.6 G car...
#138
Nordschleife Master
Combine A/B/C (no one races in these anyway), D/E, F/G and H/I, and J/K. Adjust the lower class weight by ~150 lbs which may need to include allowing after market body panels. You end up with up with 5 classes instead of 11 and don’t orphan cars like the 2.7L Boxster.
#139
Rennlist Member
Maybe take one step further and get rid of prepared classes. Maybe allow a few of the "prepared" changes in these new combines stock classes (like brakes or aero), and make anything else go to the GT classes.
#140
Rennlist Member
That said, of course there will still be some issues - as mentioned the F and G 964 cars are exactly the same except 271# weight difference. Also the F Boxster S has almost the exact p/w as the G 964/RSA as shown in the rule book and actual p/w (after exhaust for Boxsters) isn't too far off either. IMO the Boxster S is a G car or F+, meaning it "belongs" as much in G as it does in F and giving is 150# and mods would mean it would have a clear advantage over most G cars. I'm sure there are other examples like this.
I know it won't happen and back to my wish list again but would be good to look at individual cars and change their weight accordingly - taking into account average power changes after mods and just as importantly technology differences between models (aero, brakes, gearing, suspension) although again I know that won't happen and would be even more arguments until the end of time.
Last edited by forklift; 01-07-2019 at 11:18 AM. Reason: clarify
#141
Banned
Something along those lines would be a great idea. Always thought there are way too many classes and 1-2 car class fields in PCA. Anything that lowers the # of classes would be a step in the right direction. Maybe PCA could just map the SCCA or NASA class definitions onto the Porsche universe?
#142
Addict
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These ideas are always great until somebody does the math on the associated costs of taking a couple of hundred pounds of weight out of the slower cars to make them competitive in an expanded class.
#143
Banned
Much cheaper to add weight to the stronger cars.
#144
Addict
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Originally Posted by hf1
Much cheaper to add weight to the stronger cars.
#145
Drifting
#146
Addict
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Ballast is limited to 100 lbs. for letter classes.
Ballast is limited to 75 lbs. for SPB.
Ballast is limited to 75 lbs. for SPB.
#147
Banned
Maybe I need education. Why is adding more than 100+lbs considered unsafe? An extra person is 170lbs and often much more. Most race cars based on street cars have probably already taken off >200lbs from how they came from the factory.
#148
Rennlist Member
I think if the cost is reasonable (2 sets of hoosiers?) most would want to race a lighter car, not a heavier car and to start w/ removing weight out of the lower class than adding to the higher class although that could be done also of course.
How many cars can still remove sound deadening, a/c crap, spare tire (I know crash protect), passenger seat, gut sunroof etc.?
How many cars can still remove sound deadening, a/c crap, spare tire (I know crash protect), passenger seat, gut sunroof etc.?
#149
Banned
I think if the cost is reasonable (2 sets of hoosiers?) most would want to race a lighter car, not a heavier car and to start w/ removing weight out of the lower class than adding to the higher class although that could be done also of course.
How many cars can still remove sound deadening, a/c crap, spare tire (I know crash protect), passenger seat, gut sunroof etc.?
How many cars can still remove sound deadening, a/c crap, spare tire (I know crash protect), passenger seat, gut sunroof etc.?