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Old 10-02-2018, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cory M
​​​​​​Weissach most likely, but I believe there were 47 cars in that group, all with significant history and $$$ restorations...
yeah, but only 25 cars raced. i was offering to be a standby in the group if there was room.. I thought maybe with the world challenge history, plus the fact that this car was a re-tub (kind of) of the car that broke the land speed record ,driven by Al Hobert in 1987 it might be able to slip in if there was space. was this class limited to 1980s or a specific year in the 1980s? Do you know?

Originally Posted by ProCoach
Mark, unless your car was accepted into the Club Racing group, it would not have been eligible for the other groups. Just the way RR goes...

I wonder if the 919 is sticking around and running tomorrow?
I was too late to apply for the PCA group as it filled up, but are you saying you needed to be entered in both? i heard the entries were held and handled by different entities.

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Old 10-02-2018, 10:16 PM
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If I hadn't taken inside line to t11 then Martinson would have.
His 3.0 better acceleration, my 3.2 better on long straights.
If wasnt pca cr, maybe squeeze him into wall??? Lol
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Originally Posted by Clark-ApexPerformance
Group 4 (Weissach Cup) also included 2 -933s These are 2.0L cars. These cars have 200 HP. They were not listed in the group. I complained about the disparity in HP but was told by Bruce Canepa that Porsche wanted cars from the same era on the track at the same time.
MY car #154 qualified 19th for the race but spun a bearing in practice Sunday morning. We still had a great time.
From a racer's point of view it would make sense to group cars with similar lap times, but I suppose I can see their point, it's not really a race, it's an exhibition. I'm sure the guy running the grand-am 997 with GT3RSRs had a similar issue. I'd love to run my Firehawk car at a RR, but I wouldn't want to run 935s either. Anyone want to take up the crusade for a front engine group at the next RR? Get a couple turbo cup cars, Rothman's Challenge, Firehawk, Escort, maybe even let Mark run his 928. I remember talking to a couple guys at RRIII at Daytona, I think they had 944cup cars and were in a race group, times have changed.

Since it was just an exhibition, how do you get yourself Disqualified for technical reasons? Car 10, red 935 in group 4.
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Originally Posted by Kurt R
Since it was just an exhibition, how do you get yourself Disqualified for technical reasons? Car 10, red 935 in group 4.
Presenting a car in a different trim level/tires/configuration than entered...

Typical of the RMMR events there Inn August, too.
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Since it was just an exhibition, how do you get yourself Disqualified for technical reasons? Car 10, red 935 in group 4.[/QUOTE]

Many of these cars have "juiced up engines brakes etc." They catch next to nothing in tech except for helmet out of date or they got one GTR for running radials instead of the period correct bias ply tires.
Maybe a competitor complained about car 10. When they came out with a threatening email about how tough they were going to be in tech.......I called a customer and friend on the west coast. His comment was...."Clark I don't think these guys really know what they are looking at".
The #10 car could have been putting oil down???????
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Going back to the timing and scoring sheets I see car 10, Red 935 K1 was in first place for the qualifying race on Saturday. Looks like the driver came all the way from Germany.
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
yeah, but only 25 cars raced. i was offering to be a standby in the group if there was room.. I thought maybe with the world challenge history, plus the fact that this car was a re-tub (kind of) of the car that broke the land speed record ,driven by Al Hobert in 1987 it might be able to slip in if there was space. was this class limited to 1980s or a specific year in the 1980s? Do you know?
I don't know, I was just there as a spectator. If only 25 cars made the race on Sunday there must have been some mechanical failures throughout the weekend. The practice sessions and qualifying race had a lot of cars in them.

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FYI - the races are free to watch on the Motortrend YouTube channel, including the PCA class. They have all 3 days and it's nicely done.
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Originally Posted by Cory M
FYI - the races are free to watch on the Motortrend YouTube channel, including the PCA class. They have all 3 days and it's nicely done.
cool! thanks for posting!
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Originally Posted by ProCoach


Presenting a car in a different trim level/tires/configuration than entered...

Typical of the RMMR events there Inn August, too.
Peter,
Sorry to bring this up again, but the 935 coming up for auction brought me back to this thread -
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/p...-935-k4/697498
Reading through the description, they listed these modifications -
In 1997, K4-02 was acquired by Michael Lauer who tasked Kevin Jeannette at Florida’s Gunnar Racing, to fully prepare it for racing, including installation of a 962 engine. After several races, Lauer sold the K4 to Marshall Field, Ted Field’s nephew, for vintage racing. Marshall Field gave the car to the late Bob Akin at Hudson Historics with spare-no-expense instructions to completely transform it into a modern and better version of the already awesome car. In a 1998 letter to Maurer, Akin described the K4 as far superior to the K3, and urged him to install a twin-turbo 935 powerplant from Porsche Motorsport North America. The central tub was strengthened by having honeycomb aluminum cut and bonded into the floor. A Salisbury differential was installed, along with Penske triple adjustable shocks. A Motec dash and telemetry system with download interface and data logger was installed. In 2002 K4-02 was offered for sale and acquired by the current owner the following year.
So that car has been seriously modified from the way it was originally raced. As long as you declare those modifications, you're good to go? Or does the car have to be the same as it was originally raced? Sorry, I have no knowledge of vintage racing other than a local dentist spending the equivalent of a F1 budget on a Sprite.
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"Vintage" cars are classed as currently presented, not as originally built.
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Originally Posted by GT3DE
"Vintage" cars are classed as currently presented, not as originally built.
In PCA Club Racing, not in pukka historic racing...

There have been a significant number of 934/935/956/962 cars converted over the last twenty years from their required IMSA spec back at the time they were actually competing in the day to whatever would fit... Both in displacement and in number of turbos.

Equivalency at the time required a specific configuration with specific displacement, number and size of turbos and weight. Not so in historic racing.

I remember Hurley stomping around the paddock at an HSR event at Daytona in 1997, grousing that the car he was driving, supplied by the factory and correctly equipped with a 2.8l single-turbo motor, was being roundly beaten in the straights by some plodder in another Group C prototype, but with a 3.2l, twin-Turbo, never in use or even possible at the time...
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Originally Posted by jayzbird
No 919 track record for Laguna I guess? Though the announcers were cagey as to whether Porsche was really going for a record run, they sure seemed to be trying hard for not really trying. They changed tires I think 3 times in 30 mins and even changed drivers late in the session, but didn’t appear able to get the car sorted on Sunday.
It was clocked at 191 mph, a couple times on the front straight. What do the IRL cars do there? Any others?


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