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Manifold

Agreed. Tech doesn't do detailed checks of seat belts. If the student signed the tech form and claimed the belts are fine, but they're not, report the problem to club and refuse to instruct in that car until the problem is fixed. No club is going to force an instructor to get in the right seat under those circumstances. If that leaves the student unhappy, so be it, it's his own fault for bringing a car with an obvious safety deficiency. Accepting something like this is not part of the track day experience.

docwyte

Wow, a dozen more serious incidents. I'd say that's an organization failure at that point. I also agree, I wouldn't have gotten into the car with the defective seat belts.

seanseidman

Pca sent this out by email today:

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aryork

Agree. Mu range on wet grass actually overlaps that of ice! See plot. I had long spin that eventually got onto wet grass...and it literally felt like the car accelerated even though I know it did not.

Manifold

I think we need clarification regarding how many of those "incidents" were crashes. A dozen offs and spins wouldn't be highly unusual over the course of 2-3 days, but a dozen crashes would be very unusual.

I've done a lot of days with Chin, and have found that they run as tight a ship as anyone. I continue to recommend them highly.

mdrums

aryork

Donated.

Manifold

The illusory perception of acceleration when getting on the grass is likely due to the "jerk" resulting from sudden reduction in deceleration: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...07/37/6/065008

ExMB

Interesting.

I checked with my region's president and he didn't get it. Did you get it because you are your region's HPDE chair? Or?

salisbury

This is very sad, the families may suffer for years, Patrick & his family have a long road a head of them, but he has a road. We can't change the past. The safety issues at HPDE may start with the desire to find cheap track time, think most of us have experienced that desire. Club racing programs force us to be prepared for bad days at the track. Many of us use the equipment designed for these incidents at HPDEs, most don't and the HPDE model allows that. No easy answers here. This part of motor sports is difficult to make sense of. Although I think the families need some time/space from the analysis conversations, this maybe the best time to exchange some ideas on the subject of HPDE safety.

Billy Wyatt

Mark Dreyer

mose121

If I was seriously injured or died at a track event and there may have been certain common sense safety measures that could have been taken to prevent a death or serious injury, there would be no better way to honor and respect my memory than by working to address those safety issues. Doing nothing is what would be petty and disrespectful.

Insurance rarely covers everything no matter how good the coverage level is, and there are other costs unrelated to healthcare that can add up fast. Hence why half of all bankruptcies in this country are related to healthcare debt. It's a disgrace to our society, and at the risk of making a political statement just one more reason why a for profit healthcare system will never serve our society well. When people have to rely on crowdfunding to pay medical bills, our society has failed them. Additionally, not being able to work and collect a paycheck for what can be months or years following a severe injury makes life very difficult, even with public assistance/disability.

salisbury

Mose 121 is spot on. Insurance 101: was anything done or not done that voids coverage?. The need to secure council to monitor liabilities, there were services provided.