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Oh no
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But, this is not uncommon, for any type of driving event. In DE, there is no physical examination required.
I can’t tell you how many drivers I know who’ve had some significant health issue(s) caught when they went in for their physicals for a competition license.
With the advent of stress testing and baseline EKG’s beyond a certain age, along with tightening intervals for reexamination, I think it’s a good idea for on-track activity.
In thirty-five years, I’ve been at more than a dozen events that had a driver suffer a fatal health event. Some on-Track, some off. Not good...
#19
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I am so sorry this happened and prayers to all involved.
Regarding CV system assessment...
I always encourage my students to understand the medical requirements for racing licenses and to have a chat with their HCP, whether they intend to race or not. Your cardiovascular system does not really know the difference between racing and intense track driving.
I once asked the medical director of a well known sanctioning body why EKG's were part of the equation from a medical standpoint. He did not know the origin.
But of course why not try to ID an issue if you can?
Regarding CV system assessment...
I always encourage my students to understand the medical requirements for racing licenses and to have a chat with their HCP, whether they intend to race or not. Your cardiovascular system does not really know the difference between racing and intense track driving.
I once asked the medical director of a well known sanctioning body why EKG's were part of the equation from a medical standpoint. He did not know the origin.
But of course why not try to ID an issue if you can?
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Was thinking exactly the same thing and why I take HPDE days very seriously and don't try to push beyond my (non-Club racer) limits. Very sorry for driver, instructor and organizers.
#21
Burning Brakes
My condolences and hopes for a full recovery of all involved,
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
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My condolences and hopes for a full recovery of all involved,
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
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My condolences and hopes for a full recovery of all involved,
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
but I never understood the "I just DE" vs club race....both are very intense if you make them......I can club race in back and never break a sweat, or I can really work at skills at a DE and do more work then some club racers.
take care of each other and asses your own self, take the ego out....always respected people more who say.....I'm just not feeling right and sit out a race or session......they get the best trophy....home safely with car in good shape and more tires for next time...
rant over ......sorry to take away from condolences
Condolences to the family and speedy recovery to the injured. This is very real in our sport/hobby. Take care everyone and again much respect and appreciation to PCA instructors who get in the car with students week in /week out. So sad.
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was blue group an advanced or beginner group? Any idea of what type of car? Mentally I try to convince myself that a full Rollcage is safer than a street car with the newest standard equipment. At 100mph, not sure it matters....
very sad, especially for the instructor. It feels different when your fate is in someone else's hands...
in regards to stress tests, they are falling out of favor. Current guidelines don't even require an ekg prior to a moderate or even high risk surgery if the person functions at a decent physical level. Typically, if a person can walk 2 flights of stairs (4 mets) they are good to go for most surgeries, assuming no prior or known risks. Not sure the day will ever come where an ekg or stress test is required for a hpde...
I could though see, requiring a doctors note that you are fit enough. Hell, the boys scouts require it for counsellors to go to camp...
very sad, especially for the instructor. It feels different when your fate is in someone else's hands...
in regards to stress tests, they are falling out of favor. Current guidelines don't even require an ekg prior to a moderate or even high risk surgery if the person functions at a decent physical level. Typically, if a person can walk 2 flights of stairs (4 mets) they are good to go for most surgeries, assuming no prior or known risks. Not sure the day will ever come where an ekg or stress test is required for a hpde...
I could though see, requiring a doctors note that you are fit enough. Hell, the boys scouts require it for counsellors to go to camp...
#28
Drifting
Horrible news and agree with questions regarding why no proof of adequate health status is required for a DE. This is especially true in light of the high hp cars you see today in DE's. Not that a complete physical will prevent serious health issues from developing but could certainly expose the obvious.
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In any case - tons of speculation about medical condition of the driver.
I met a lovely group of instructors and instructor candidates, all of whom take safety very seriously. Great bunch of people and it’s a tragedy.
Thoughts are with everyone touched by this terrible event.
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Not referring to this particular incident, for that would be speculation.
But, this is not uncommon, for any type of driving event. In DE, there is no physical examination required.
I can’t tell you how many drivers I know who’ve had some significant health issue(s) caught when they went in for their physicals for a competition license.
With the advent of stress testing and baseline EKG’s beyond a certain age, along with tightening intervals for reexamination, I think it’s a good idea for on-track activity.
In thirty-five years, I’ve been at more than a dozen events that had a driver suffer a fatal health event. Some on-Track, some off. Not good...