Corvette ZR1 - too fast?
11-14-2017, 11:36 AM
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Interesting commentary from Walter about cars like the GT2 RS, which this one is designed to match.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...for-nrburgring
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11-15-2017, 08:54 AM
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11-15-2017, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 924RACR
Also, yes. 
11-15-2017, 10:40 AM
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All these cars are stupidly fast. I instructed in a C6 Z06 a few years ago, student was older and was very cautious. He was short shifting at 4500 rpm and lifting several seconds before the braking zone (This was at PPIR running clockwise).
Even with that, it felt like we were going incredibly fast. So I asked him, how fast are you going when you lift here? Answer: 145mph. Holy. Schnikes. So if he'd been using the motor and braking where he should've we easily would've been topping 160mph.
In a street car. With no safety beyond the factory 3 points. Ummmm, yeah....
Even with that, it felt like we were going incredibly fast. So I asked him, how fast are you going when you lift here? Answer: 145mph. Holy. Schnikes. So if he'd been using the motor and braking where he should've we easily would've been topping 160mph.
In a street car. With no safety beyond the factory 3 points. Ummmm, yeah....
11-15-2017, 10:57 AM
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...and cars are faster now. No thanks...
Besides, we all know it looks twenty miles per hour faster than it actually is when you're in the right seat!
11-15-2017, 11:14 AM
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^^This^^
If not for you instructors, mere mortals like myself would never have a chance to experience the sheer joy of driving on a racetrack.
I still don't know how you all do it, but I'm sure as $hit glad that you do.
11-15-2017, 11:31 AM
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You've hit on a good point. One of the "qualities" of an instructor used to driving a FAST car is that they tend to be more tolerant when instructing from the right seat IN a FAST car!
This is why very competent and experienced older car, 944 (NA), SPB or SM driving instructors take a little while to (and sometimes, never) get acclimated to the speed with which stuff is coming at them in the car, in cars much quicker than what they are used to driving.
Having driven a 3-liter (relatively contemporary) F1 car, IMSA Group C as well as more modern prototypes and some of the fastest purpose-built GT cars on track, as well as supercars (the F40 is the most exciting car I've EVER driven on the street) for decades, I felt relatively inured riding in fast cars, because I had been in cars that were faster, at least behind the wheel...
In conducting instructor training clinics and speaking with the same instructors often over decades, you can (and most do) get used to the sense of speed in these hypercars, even in the passenger seat. Instead of looking like it's SIXTY mph faster in the passenger seat, pretty soon the differential is down to forty, then twenty, then for some, it doesn't bother them anymore.
But that last group is rare. And the new cars AREN'T helping...
11-15-2017, 11:32 AM
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All these cars are stupidly fast. I instructed in a C6 Z06 a few years ago, student was older and was very cautious. He was short shifting at 4500 rpm and lifting several seconds before the braking zone (This was at PPIR running clockwise).
Even with that, it felt like we were going incredibly fast. So I asked him, how fast are you going when you lift here? Answer: 145mph. Holy. Schnikes. So if he'd been using the motor and braking where he should've we easily would've been topping 160mph.
In a street car. With no safety beyond the factory 3 points. Ummmm, yeah....
Even with that, it felt like we were going incredibly fast. So I asked him, how fast are you going when you lift here? Answer: 145mph. Holy. Schnikes. So if he'd been using the motor and braking where he should've we easily would've been topping 160mph.
In a street car. With no safety beyond the factory 3 points. Ummmm, yeah....
When I instruct I try and find a fiesta ST on all season tires or an AWD sedan with all the nannies or a Tesla whose battery overheats in 3 laps.
11-15-2017, 02:43 PM
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Hahaha!
You've hit on a good point. One of the "qualities" of an instructor used to driving a FAST car is that they tend to be more tolerant when instructing from the right seat IN a FAST car!
This is why very competent and experienced older car, 944 (NA), SPB or SM driving instructors take a little while to (and sometimes, never) get acclimated to the speed with which stuff is coming at them in the car, in cars much quicker than what they are used to driving.
Having driven a 3-liter (relatively contemporary) F1 car, IMSA Group C as well as more modern prototypes and some of the fastest purpose-built GT cars on track, as well as supercars (the F40 is the most exciting car I've EVER driven on the street) for decades, I felt relatively inured riding in fast cars, because I had been in cars that were faster, at least behind the wheel...
In conducting instructor training clinics and speaking with the same instructors often over decades, you can (and most do) get used to the sense of speed in these hypercars, even in the passenger seat. Instead of looking like it's SIXTY mph faster in the passenger seat, pretty soon the differential is down to forty, then twenty, then for some, it doesn't bother them anymore.
But that last group is rare. And the new cars AREN'T helping...
You've hit on a good point. One of the "qualities" of an instructor used to driving a FAST car is that they tend to be more tolerant when instructing from the right seat IN a FAST car!
This is why very competent and experienced older car, 944 (NA), SPB or SM driving instructors take a little while to (and sometimes, never) get acclimated to the speed with which stuff is coming at them in the car, in cars much quicker than what they are used to driving.
Having driven a 3-liter (relatively contemporary) F1 car, IMSA Group C as well as more modern prototypes and some of the fastest purpose-built GT cars on track, as well as supercars (the F40 is the most exciting car I've EVER driven on the street) for decades, I felt relatively inured riding in fast cars, because I had been in cars that were faster, at least behind the wheel...
In conducting instructor training clinics and speaking with the same instructors often over decades, you can (and most do) get used to the sense of speed in these hypercars, even in the passenger seat. Instead of looking like it's SIXTY mph faster in the passenger seat, pretty soon the differential is down to forty, then twenty, then for some, it doesn't bother them anymore.
But that last group is rare. And the new cars AREN'T helping...
When I was a PCA safety chair, quite a few instructors who drove slower cars commented that they (understandably) weren't comfortable instructing in fast cars. And if they're that uncomfortable, I don't think they should be instructing in those cars.
11-17-2017, 05:07 PM
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As an instructor, i don't allow the student out of 3rd gear their first time out. I am there to teach them the track and how to be smooth with their car so to not unsettle it. If they want to go all out, it will be without me...
11-20-2017, 04:20 PM
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I limited my student (his first time at Sebring) in a 997 Turbo S that was chipped and mod'd to 4th gear until he proved that he wasn't a complete moon d!k. 4th was PLENTY fast enough in that car - but he was eager to learn safety and took instruction well. I have had other students "Ricky-Bobby" me with the "I just want to drive fast" routine that was pretty scary.
11-20-2017, 10:40 PM
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Just want to say thank you to all who instruct!
I have been blessed to get awesome instructors in both PCA and Chin....
I came from motorcycles and was probably considered aggressive but methodical and respectful ....
All the instructors I’ve met were great people who wanted to help me identify my goals and learn....
thx!
I have been blessed to get awesome instructors in both PCA and Chin....
I came from motorcycles and was probably considered aggressive but methodical and respectful ....
All the instructors I’ve met were great people who wanted to help me identify my goals and learn....
thx!
