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Old 10-02-2017, 03:03 PM
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Was testing some upgrades (paddle shifters and fender louvers) with BMWCCA a week before my last race.

This was not entirely typical but it did happen twice in the same spot and 2 different cars. What kills me is that we ran 3 days together and there was only about 10 cars in the group so we got to know each other pretty well. Still, this was on the 3rd day.

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That's brutal!!

Did you go talk to the driver or the chief instructor at the event?
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i dont see the issue . you ran up on a street car on a DE day, and he gave lots of room to right, you didnt take it and then ran wide at the entrance to the chicane, and then pointed ....... there is a problem here worthy of talking to the chief instructor? whats next , you want participation trophies given out too?

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i dont see the issue . you ran up on a street car on a DE day, and he gave lots of room to right, you didnt take it and then ran wide at the entrance to the chicane, and then pointed ....... there is a problem here worthy of talking to the chief instructor? whats next , you want participation trophies given out too?
You don't get it, Mark. Had our camera car "taken it" WITHOUT A POINT at the logical place (long sweeper right, Turn 9, and into the the LONG braking zone, entry of Turn 10A), HE would have been the one in trouble...

The purpose of talking to the CI would been to have the late-pass-signal driver be MADE more aware or at least apprised of the problem.
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Did that run group have designated passing zones or was it open passing anywhere with a point by?
IRRC BMWCCA appears to be more strict than PCA.
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Open passing with pb.

The issue to me is, there was plenty of time and space to give a pb before turn in- why wait until we have much less of both. Just doesn't make good track sense.
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You don't get it, Mark. Had our camera car "taken it" WITHOUT A POINT at the logical place (long sweeper right, Turn 9, and into the the LONG braking zone, entry of Turn 10A), HE would have been the one in trouble...

The purpose of talking to the CI would been to have the late-pass-signal driver be MADE more aware or at least apprised of the problem.
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Wow. Could have been done seamlessly BEFORE Black Flag station, losing no time for BOTH drivers...

What group is this?
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The goal, with track awareness, is to make the pass as seamless as possible to both cars.

That point-by was the opposite of seamless.
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BMWCCA Peachtree.

Just seems unnecessary and making it less safe not more. Beginning of the weekend ok- - but by day 2 and 3- people are not using their mirrors as they should.
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And it's not like you can't see your car!
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Maybe your car needs to be louder so they can hear you coming... =)
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Originally Posted by rnh204 View Post
Maybe your car needs to be louder so they can hear you coming... =)
or a BMW....
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