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Old 05-22-2018, 08:07 PM
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I was just at Singer a few weeks ago, and it is difficult not to get impressed about the level of detail and care. And creativity. They manage to create a real version of a car that one only dreams about. Each car reflects a little bit of the owner's personality. Max, I believe Milan will be one of the all time Singer favorites. And hope you tried the Parmesan truffled fries at Wally's, otherwise you need to go back there with Milan.
Old 05-22-2018, 08:42 PM
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Hello, Andial,

Thanks for the reply, but by definition, any car imported into Europe is an import, regardless of the country of manufacture. The Europe-wide "law of return" with respect to VAT and duties for objects originally made in Europe DOES NOT APPLY to cars. Trying to register modified R-34 Skylines in places like France and Luxembourg is extremely hard. There is no way something with an unoriginal engine like a Singer wouldn't be a headache.
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Originally Posted by JBMOTTO
Hello, Andial,

Thanks for the reply, but by definition, any car imported into Europe is an import, regardless of the country of manufacture. The Europe-wide "law of return" with respect to VAT and duties for objects originally made in Europe DOES NOT APPLY to cars. Trying to register modified R-34 Skylines in places like France and Luxembourg is extremely hard. There is no way something with an unoriginal engine like a Singer wouldn't be a headache.
The engine numbers will be the same as the donor car so in that respect it shouldn't be a problem. There are now quite a few cars registered in Europe and at least 2 EU importers that will know more I'm sure.

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I was just at Singer a few weeks ago, and it is difficult not to get impressed about the level of detail and care. And creativity. They manage to create a real version of a car that one only dreams about. Each car reflects a little bit of the owner's personality. Max, I believe Milan will be one of the all time Singer favorites. And hope you tried the Parmesan truffled fries at Wally's, otherwise you need to go back there with Milan.
Totally agree, visiting Singer is an eye opening experience if you are not familiar or have been involved in a project with them. I think France/Milan will always have a very important role in their history and I'm very proud of being a part of it.
Wally's is new favorite, I think we had some parmesan truffled fries but after the second bottle of Sassicaia I have a small blank in my memory!!
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What a great thread with excellent photos and videos! What are the price ranges for used and new Singers these days? How long is the waitlist?
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Originally Posted by hf1
What a great thread with excellent photos and videos! What are the price ranges for used and new Singers these days? How long is the waitlist?
Thanks!! Pleasure to share with you guys.

Regarding waiting list, it is now 30 months+... this obviously helps the price on the secondary market with few cars now changing hands well above list price.
Old 05-23-2018, 02:34 PM
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It would be interesting to see one of these sell at an auction like RM or Gooding.
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Originally Posted by maxt
Thanks!! Pleasure to share with you guys.

Regarding waiting list, it is now 30 months+... this obviously helps the price on the secondary market with few cars now changing hands well above list price.
Can anyone visit Singer? How many cars have they made so far? A friend of mine has the Taiwan car. What is list price for a new one?
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Originally Posted by Andial
Can anyone visit Singer? How many cars have they made so far? A friend of mine has the Taiwan car. What is list price for a new one?
with an appointment you can visit

i do now know how many singers had been made to date

most are now 700+. as they are mostly 4.0L cars
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I believe I heard 145 cars so far
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This is awesome! So glad you posted this photos...BEAUTIFUL ride and love what you have done to it. Very well executed
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Originally Posted by mooty
most are now 700+. as they are mostly 4.0L cars
7000hrs or 3.5 man-years -- that's a lot of labor...
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Originally Posted by hf1
7000hrs or 3.5 man-years -- that's a lot of labor...
price not hours
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Originally Posted by mooty
with an appointment you can visit

i do now know how many singers had been made to date

most are now 700+. as they are mostly 4.0L cars
How does one go about obtaining an appointment?
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Originally Posted by Andial
price not hours
Yes, $700k is 7000hrs at $100/hr. I was looking at it from a "cost of restoration/modification" perspective, if I was to commission a project with a shop.
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Originally Posted by hf1
7000hrs or 3.5 man-years -- that's a lot of labor...
that's $700+
not sure how many hours.

Originally Posted by Andial
How does one go about obtaining an appointment?
i dont know. i was invited by a singer owner

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