Macan vs Audi Q5D
02-02-2014, 06:53 AM
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If the Macan were diesel here...no contest. A year or so away to my understanding.
I just bought a new X5d for my wife. I know not the Cayenne, she liked the Beemer better.
At any rate love the torque and sound and mileage(diesel fuel cost notwithstanding) of the
these new generation diesels. My last one was an 80 Mercedes SD...sounded, smelled and performed
like a greasy box of rocks.
Look forward, however to driving the Macan(gas) and I agree Porsche has nailed the driving
performance.
I just bought a new X5d for my wife. I know not the Cayenne, she liked the Beemer better.
At any rate love the torque and sound and mileage(diesel fuel cost notwithstanding) of the
these new generation diesels. My last one was an 80 Mercedes SD...sounded, smelled and performed
like a greasy box of rocks.
Look forward, however to driving the Macan(gas) and I agree Porsche has nailed the driving
performance.
02-03-2014, 08:04 PM
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02-07-2014, 07:42 PM
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Can someone please explain the attraction of an oil burner in North America, the land of subsidized ethanol-enriched gasoline?
It's not as though the Macan will be towing a plow. It has one of the finest gearboxes around, so you can always tap the power of your gasoline engine instantaneously. Why would you pay the weight penalty and engine cost penalty and fuel cost penalty of a diesel if you live in North America? I thought Porsche pilots liked to be engaged with their cars, shifting by themselves, and working through the full RPM range of their highly refined lightweight alloy engines. IMHO, even a modern diesel falls flat in terms of driver pleasure. If you want to drive a bus, then buy a bus. If you want a sporting small utility, then why not go with a sporting engine?
It's not as though the Macan will be towing a plow. It has one of the finest gearboxes around, so you can always tap the power of your gasoline engine instantaneously. Why would you pay the weight penalty and engine cost penalty and fuel cost penalty of a diesel if you live in North America? I thought Porsche pilots liked to be engaged with their cars, shifting by themselves, and working through the full RPM range of their highly refined lightweight alloy engines. IMHO, even a modern diesel falls flat in terms of driver pleasure. If you want to drive a bus, then buy a bus. If you want a sporting small utility, then why not go with a sporting engine?
02-07-2014, 08:35 PM
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Can someone please explain the attraction of an oil burner in North America, the land of subsidized ethanol-enriched gasoline? It's not as though the Macan will be towing a plow. It has one of the finest gearboxes around, so you can always tap the power of your gasoline engine instantaneously. Why would you pay the weight penalty and engine cost penalty and fuel cost penalty of a diesel if you live in North America? I thought Porsche pilots liked to be engaged with their cars, shifting by themselves, and working through the full RPM range of their highly refined lightweight alloy engines. IMHO, even a modern diesel falls flat in terms of driver pleasure. If you want to drive a bus, then buy a bus. If you want a sporting small utility, then why not go with a sporting engine?
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02-07-2014, 09:48 PM
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Roule, you raise good points.
Why pay more for the engine and fuel and drive as you say an oil burner.
Now i'm comparing the diesel with the smaller gas engine offered.
The torquey pull from with acceleration is what I prefer over the gas engine.
I just like the sound and low to mid range torque and speed.
My new bimmer f14 at a steady 62mph for 20 miles averaged 37.1 mpg.
I would expect a
Macan would be faster and better on mileage.
Why pay more for the engine and fuel and drive as you say an oil burner.
Now i'm comparing the diesel with the smaller gas engine offered.
The torquey pull from with acceleration is what I prefer over the gas engine.
I just like the sound and low to mid range torque and speed.
My new bimmer f14 at a steady 62mph for 20 miles averaged 37.1 mpg.
I would expect a
Macan would be faster and better on mileage.
02-08-2014, 06:17 PM
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Roule, you raise good points.
Why pay more for the engine and fuel and drive as you say an oil burner.
Now i'm comparing the diesel with the smaller gas engine offered.
The torquey pull from with acceleration is what I prefer over the gas engine.
I just like the sound and low to mid range torque and speed.
My new bimmer f14 at a steady 62mph for 20 miles averaged 37.1 mpg.
I would expect a
Macan would be faster and better on mileage.
Why pay more for the engine and fuel and drive as you say an oil burner.
Now i'm comparing the diesel with the smaller gas engine offered.
The torquey pull from with acceleration is what I prefer over the gas engine.
I just like the sound and low to mid range torque and speed.
My new bimmer f14 at a steady 62mph for 20 miles averaged 37.1 mpg.
I would expect a
Macan would be faster and better on mileage.
02-12-2014, 08:46 PM
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Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling.
We all agree that inspired driving would require a proper sports car, but calling the Macan just another SUV doesn't change the calculations. Few SUVs are offered with diesel engines because few people want them. On this side of the Atlantic, it remains to be seen how diesel engine would make for a better Macan. Americans would be more impressed with a naturally aspirated 90 degree small-displacement petrol V-8.
02-13-2014, 02:54 AM
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02-13-2014, 07:21 AM
#25
Burning Brakes
Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling. We all agree that inspired driving would require a proper sports car, but calling the Macan just another SUV doesn't change the calculations. Few SUVs are offered with diesel engines because few people want them. On this side of the Atlantic, it remains to be seen how diesel engine would make for a better Macan. Americans would be more impressed with a naturally aspirated 90 degree small-displacement petrol V-8.
A naturally aspirated V8 will never come again. Porsche as a manufacturer has to meet EU environmental laws and without a turbocharged engine, that will become almost impossible.
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02-13-2014, 11:17 AM
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Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling.
We all agree that inspired driving would require a proper sports car, but calling the Macan just another SUV doesn't change the calculations. Few SUVs are offered with diesel engines because few people want them. On this side of the Atlantic, it remains to be seen how diesel engine would make for a better Macan. Americans would be more impressed with a naturally aspirated 90 degree small-displacement petrol V-8.
Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling.
We all agree that inspired driving would require a proper sports car, but calling the Macan just another SUV doesn't change the calculations. Few SUVs are offered with diesel engines because few people want them. On this side of the Atlantic, it remains to be seen how diesel engine would make for a better Macan. Americans would be more impressed with a naturally aspirated 90 degree small-displacement petrol V-8.
02-13-2014, 12:35 PM
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unsure what all debate about gasoline vs diesel. its a simple Arithmetic.
when i did the caculation for my situation, the break even was about 2.5 yrs.
BTW lets stop calling the Macan an SUV. In reality its closer to a COV.
when i did the caculation for my situation, the break even was about 2.5 yrs.
BTW lets stop calling the Macan an SUV. In reality its closer to a COV.
02-13-2014, 02:16 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
Pointless perhaps in terms of pure utility, but not when it comes to the driving experience. Indulgent, excessive, emotional, unnecessary perhaps, but not pointless. ...and i got a great deal on it.
02-13-2014, 06:12 PM
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Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling.
Suzy, your location is Switzerland. Diesel might make economic sense there. With rare exceptions, diesel makes no economic nor performance sense in North America. Diesel costs anywhere from 5-20% more than petrol, and the diesel engine adds significant weight & cost to the vehicle. "Instant torque" is easily negated by Porsche's excellent PDK. Again, why would anyone in NA want a diesel? The numbers are not compelling.
Overall real cost comparisons are difficult because of higher resale value, time saved with longer range, etc. Oil change intervals are the same and maintenance costs are probably lower.
Drive one and try it in S mode!!
