CPO higher than new build
05-20-2018, 01:39 AM
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CPO higher than new build
I'm curious what I should offer on a Macan S that built new is 68k but after 400 miles (the owner needed a bigger car) is now priced at 69k (with a CPO). That seems overpriced, and I'm considering offering 60k, but don't know if that is insulting low... Its only been on the lot for 1 month so I imagine they'll say no initially and give themselves time to figure out true pricing, but I'd rather have a new car than paying more for a used one...
Any thoughts on this? Am I being too greedy?
Any thoughts on this? Am I being too greedy?
05-20-2018, 09:57 AM
#2
It's a business and car dealership. Don't be awestruck because there is a Porsche sign over the door. Offer them what you want to pay and if they don't want the deal they will simply say no. Who cares if they are insulted, you are not dealing with the Dalai Lama.
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05-20-2018, 03:01 PM
#3
CPO costs between 3700 and 5,000. So yes. CPO is worth more. It automatically includes 6/100k warranty. So you are getting a 2,500-4000 off sticker.
Still high. But don't think CPO is free
Still high. But don't think CPO is free
05-22-2018, 09:23 AM
#5
Rennlist Member
What is the delivery warranty start date - you should have lots of miles and time left on original warranty so not sure why the need for the extra cost CPO. With 400 miles it is unlikely they did anything other than an inspection in order to CPO the car.
05-22-2018, 01:32 PM
#6
I wouldn't pay MRSP for a new Macan. I am sure the dealer didn't take the car back without the original owner taking a financial hit, even if it only had 400 miles. CPO costs for dealer may vary - it depends on if they have to do any work.. The rate my dealer paid for the "CPO certification status" on my 1 year old 991 was under $2000. The tires, fluid changes, minor repairs, were several thousand more. Make an offer, shop around, no need to overpay like a Porsche GT car.
05-22-2018, 06:14 PM
#7
Don't EVER be concerned about insulting a dealer. If you only knew the crap they talk about customers behind their backs...
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09-21-2018, 10:39 PM
#11
Burning Brakes
One problem that I have with CPO Macans is their almost universal lack of having Adaptive Cruise Control, which I see as crucial for the long road trips that I like to do. I've spent a lot of time at the Porsche CPO website looking through Macans, and I'm astonished at how few of them have ACC (so much so that I'd call it rare). Dealerships seem to put stuff in their Porsches that aren't so important and drive the cost up unnecessarily; I consider one of these to be over-sized wheels (meaning 20 inches and up), which degrade the driving experience and are less safe than 18- or 19-inch wheels on virtually any Porsche. I would not likely ever buy a Macan (or any other Porsche) off of a lot because they generally have lots of what I don't want and lack things that i do want -- unless it's a CPO vehicle with a really low price that would be hard to turn down (with those features or lack of features outweighed by a very low price and low mileage). In fact, I often marvel at the bad taste and bad decisions of Porsche dealerships in designing the builds that they request from Porsche for their showrooms and lots, and I've noticed that dealerships tend to each order the same kind of features across cars in their inventory (i.e., different dealerships choose different options that they obsess over, but within a single dealership, they tend to lack diversity and imagination in what they order for their cars). (This comment coming from my extensive experience in dealing with about ten different Porsche dealerships.)
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
09-22-2018, 12:01 AM
#12
Pro
One problem that I have with CPO Macans is their almost universal lack of having Adaptive Cruise Control, which I see as crucial for the long road trips that I like to do. I've spent a lot of time at the Porsche CPO website looking through Macans, and I'm astonished at how few of them have ACC (so much so that I'd call it rare). Dealerships seem to put stuff in their Porsches that aren't so important and drive the cost up unnecessarily; I consider one of these to be over-sized wheels (meaning 20 inches and up), which degrade the driving experience and are less safe than 18- or 19-inch wheels on virtually any Porsche. I would not likely ever buy a Macan (or any other Porsche) off of a lot because they generally have lots of what I don't want and lack things that i do want -- unless it's a CPO vehicle with a really low price that would be hard to turn down (with those features or lack of features outweighed by a very low price and low mileage). In fact, I often marvel at the bad taste and bad decisions of Porsche dealerships in designing the builds that they request from Porsche for their showrooms and lots, and I've noticed that dealerships tend to each order the same kind of features across cars in their inventory (i.e., different dealerships choose different options that they obsess over, but within a single dealership, they tend to lack diversity and imagination in what they order for their cars). (This comment coming from my extensive experience in dealing with about ten different Porsche dealerships.)
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
09-22-2018, 03:25 AM
#13
Burning Brakes
I think that my comments have relevance to the initial topic of this thread -- what's worthwhile in terms of cost. I'm saying that lots of CPO cars are ordered by dealers and have irrelevant expensive options and lack some relevant useful options.
09-22-2018, 10:21 PM
#14
Drifting
One problem that I have with CPO Macans is their almost universal lack of having Adaptive Cruise Control, which I see as crucial for the long road trips that I like to do. I've spent a lot of time at the Porsche CPO website looking through Macans, and I'm astonished at how few of them have ACC (so much so that I'd call it rare). Dealerships seem to put stuff in their Porsches that aren't so important and drive the cost up unnecessarily; I consider one of these to be over-sized wheels (meaning 20 inches and up), which degrade the driving experience and are less safe than 18- or 19-inch wheels on virtually any Porsche. I would not likely ever buy a Macan (or any other Porsche) off of a lot because they generally have lots of what I don't want and lack things that i do want -- unless it's a CPO vehicle with a really low price that would be hard to turn down (with those features or lack of features outweighed by a very low price and low mileage). In fact, I often marvel at the bad taste and bad decisions of Porsche dealerships in designing the builds that they request from Porsche for their showrooms and lots, and I've noticed that dealerships tend to each order the same kind of features across cars in their inventory (i.e., different dealerships choose different options that they obsess over, but within a single dealership, they tend to lack diversity and imagination in what they order for their cars). (This comment coming from my extensive experience in dealing with about ten different Porsche dealerships.)
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
I will say this about ACC: many other car brands are putting ACC standard in their vehicles that cost 1/2 or 1/3 that of Porsches. There's no excuse for ACC not being standard in all Porsches, given how important it is as a safety feature. I'm convinced that if everybody used ACC on interstate highways, the accident rates would be much lower where there is a lot of congested traffic, especially a lot of slow and highly-variable-speed traffic. Without it being standard, I do think that dealerships should put the ACC option in all of its showroom/lot inventories.
And with regard to it not being standard when many more pedestrian vehicles from other manufacturers offer it standard, yeah well, the same could be said for many of Porsche’s options (LCA, etc). <sigh>
09-24-2018, 09:31 AM
#15
The dearth of ACC equipped CPO or all Macans & Cayennes indicates most buyers didn't consider that feature
to be a 'must have' and/or they were unwilling to pay for it. While some may consider it to be a candidate for
standard equipment, Porsche's approach would seem to be: pay for the features you want.
to be a 'must have' and/or they were unwilling to pay for it. While some may consider it to be a candidate for
standard equipment, Porsche's approach would seem to be: pay for the features you want.