GWF911

Well it was an amazing DE and Race Season last year running my (new to me) 2004 Cup. I knew I had pushed the engine beyond the 200 hour rebuild point but wasn't sure how far. Turns out I put over 90 hours on it in one year so she had 275 hours on her. So now PMNA wants $52k to rebuild her. OUCH!! Not many parts left for 996 Cup engines, etc. and she was in really rough shape by the time I sent it to them.

I love this car and completely agree with all of you that had said on another post that there is something special about driving a 996 Cup. Transmission has already been rebuilt and already paid the 50% deposit on the new livery. Therefore, I feel like I should just follow through and get it done before I miss any more races this season (killed me to miss Sebring and now looks like COTA will pass me by before I am ready to race). However, I must admit there is someone whispering in my ear to potentially buy a 991 cup (yes Travis that is you) and it does not seem like a crazy idea when I think about the cost to get back out there in this car. I was planning on one a couple of years but was not planning to make the leap yet.

Would love to hear the thoughts of this august group!!

Spyerx

is PMNA required to build your motor for the series or club?
If not, have BBI, or Hege or Vision or... pick it up and refresh it.

MSR Racer

I am beginning to learn that 991 may be a bit more cost effective in terms of running costs and fun factor. Engine rebuild should be less than the PMNA quote if you go through any of the established guys.

Toby Pennycuff

Call Gordon at Autometrics. He did my rebuild/update (an '01 motor updated properly to '03 specs) and it is legal for PCA GTC3. Far less than what PMNA wants. No affiliation, just a very satisfied customer.

Toby

993PET

275 hrs on a Cup engine before rebuild, means a lot of expensive worn out parts will need to be replaced regardless of who does the work. The longer you leave it the more expensive it's going to be even without a catastrophic failure.

My PMNA rebuild last year on a 130 hour '04 996 engine with no previous rebuilds was $30k including a new case (previously repaired) and wiring harness that added $7500, also taking advantage of a 20% discount on parts and a special labor rate available at the time.

JF

JF

spiller

275 hours wow! Was there any concern at any point that you might experience a failure or were the leakdowns OK? I wonder how many miles that equates to.

GWF911

Thanks everyone we are looking at alternatives. JF you sent me a PM over a year ago telling me to send the engine at that time but I just couldn't part with her back then. I wanted to have a sealed engine because I thought it would be better for resale but I like this car so much I might keep it forever so more open now to going outside PMNA. It is such a blast to drive and it has the manual shift and ABS. They are just amazing cars. I wanted at least one more year of racing in a lot of PCA and SCCA races before jumping up to a newer cup and racing in a Pirelli series but this little hiccup was making me wonder if it made sense to accelerate that decision.

GWF911

Spiller I had that thought in my head constantly once I got to around August. Simpple math in my head has me thinking around 20,000 miles give or take.

911racer

I am still stuck on the 90 hours in one season.

You are a mad man. I wish I could get out that much. I do not enduro, and you must, but that is a ton of hours.

Average 6 a weekend ? which is a lot of Modas hours. That is still getting out 15 weekend. You are my hero.

I think I am more like 15 a year.

My advice, do both. Keep the 996. It will be worth a 964cup ton of money in a few years and you will still have a blast running it every once in a while. As others have said, pick a good non-PMNA rebuilder and get it going. I sold my 996 cup for a 997 and miss her all the time.

Thanks
Ed

spiller

Very good effort OP! This is a testament to how robust cup cars are. Last week I was told that back in the late 2000s a 6 cup went to the Nurburgring 24 hour event with 145 hours on the motor (prior to the start of the race) and successfully completed the event. Your effort is on a whole new level.

I am currently deciding between 996 and 997...this thread is swaying me back towards 996.

jcastle

Have you considered a gt4 clubsport? Has ABS, paddles like 991 cup, lower rebuild costs, longest rebuild intervals, will run similar lap times to the 996 cup. Seems it would be the most cost effective based on your yearly track time.

911racer

Quick plug,

I have two 997.1 cups for sale and one 2003 996 cup for sale.

Thanks
Ed

Viperbob1

We just rebuilt the engine with Gordon at Autometrics and they replaced everything and it was not near $50k

Surfbum

PM sent

bgiere

Yikes on the rebuild $$ but I would still do it and keep the 996...Not many left in good working order, less survive over each passing year.