GT3 RSR chassis numbers
08-28-2016, 03:23 PM
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GT3 RSR chassis numbers
Hi All
Iam from England and am trying to buy a 996 GT3 RSR there are two here in Europe for sale
I understand there was only 20 odd built ,the one in Spain was said to be a extra one built afterwards
I need to know the first and last chassis numbers and do they run in sequence and where on the car are they located
I have not looked at the cars and am trying to find out as much as possible before inspecting them
Jim
Iam from England and am trying to buy a 996 GT3 RSR there are two here in Europe for sale
I understand there was only 20 odd built ,the one in Spain was said to be a extra one built afterwards
I need to know the first and last chassis numbers and do they run in sequence and where on the car are they located
I have not looked at the cars and am trying to find out as much as possible before inspecting them
Jim
08-28-2016, 06:48 PM
#2
996 GT3 RSR Build Data:
2004, 29 known to be built, VIN numbers end WPOZZZ99Z4S693061 - 3088
Note - 1x car was built again with an (a) VIN to replace a destroyed car to make 29 cars total
2005, 8 known to be built, VIN numbers end 3061 - 3070
Note - there are 2x gaps in the VIN series
37 were know to be built and I think there are 21 left but that's based on documented major wrecks at tracks. The wrecked cars seem to come alive again when race cars get valuable.
If you see no VIN number through the windshield but there is one stamped in trunk, the tub you are looking at is a replacement tub. The VIN sticker is not provided with new replacement tubs.
If you see that the VIN tag was cut off from the back edge of the front trunk, the car was crashed and the VIN was sent to Germany for a replacement tub (meaning, there is another car out there with the same VIN stamped into the replacement tub trunk). Many wrecked cars were fixed after sending the stamped VIN tab back to Germany for a replacement tub. They usually are the actual car that did all the racing. If the VIN sticker is still in the window, it's the original tub that Porsche first built.
If there is no stamped VIN tag in the trunk and there is no sticker in the windshield, it's been a replacement tub that was replaced again. I've never seen that but it's possible. There should be a silver tag on the "A" pillar of all of the tubs that still proves it is an RSR.
I hope that helps. Good luck shopping.
2004, 29 known to be built, VIN numbers end WPOZZZ99Z4S693061 - 3088
Note - 1x car was built again with an (a) VIN to replace a destroyed car to make 29 cars total
2005, 8 known to be built, VIN numbers end 3061 - 3070
Note - there are 2x gaps in the VIN series
37 were know to be built and I think there are 21 left but that's based on documented major wrecks at tracks. The wrecked cars seem to come alive again when race cars get valuable.
If you see no VIN number through the windshield but there is one stamped in trunk, the tub you are looking at is a replacement tub. The VIN sticker is not provided with new replacement tubs.
If you see that the VIN tag was cut off from the back edge of the front trunk, the car was crashed and the VIN was sent to Germany for a replacement tub (meaning, there is another car out there with the same VIN stamped into the replacement tub trunk). Many wrecked cars were fixed after sending the stamped VIN tab back to Germany for a replacement tub. They usually are the actual car that did all the racing. If the VIN sticker is still in the window, it's the original tub that Porsche first built.
If there is no stamped VIN tag in the trunk and there is no sticker in the windshield, it's been a replacement tub that was replaced again. I've never seen that but it's possible. There should be a silver tag on the "A" pillar of all of the tubs that still proves it is an RSR.
I hope that helps. Good luck shopping.
08-29-2016, 06:41 AM
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I have just heard from the guy selling the RSR it turns out to be a Year 2000 car with chassis number 692073 and was raced in the Daytona 24 hours and won the GT class can this be correct , it also raced at LeMans in 2000 but broke a wheel while 2nd in the GT class with only minutes to the end and could not make the finish so a DNF
Jim
Jim
08-29-2016, 10:12 AM
#5
That was the Haberthur Racing 2000 GT3R car, VIN number WP0ZZZ99ZYS692073. It finished 65 laps behind the winner, 8th over all and 1st in the GTU class at Daytona in 2000.
That's not a 996 RSR but a significant 996 GT3R. The 1999 and 2000 Porsche factory (non-cup) race cars were GT3R's. The 2001 - 03 cars were called GT3RS and the 2004 - 05 cars were the 996 RSR cars. The RSR's sell for 3 - 4 times the $$'s the R's and RS's sell for because they only made 37. The R's and RS cars were almost identical and Porsche build around 160 of those. They are still rare and pricey but the 996 RSR cars are in another league. I recently answered another thread with details about current values of all of these models. You might want to check that out.
The Y in the VIN number indicates that the car was built in 00 - 01. After that, they put a number like 2, 3, 4, 5 in that same place in the VIN to indicate the year of manufacture.
That's not a 996 RSR but a significant 996 GT3R. The 1999 and 2000 Porsche factory (non-cup) race cars were GT3R's. The 2001 - 03 cars were called GT3RS and the 2004 - 05 cars were the 996 RSR cars. The RSR's sell for 3 - 4 times the $$'s the R's and RS's sell for because they only made 37. The R's and RS cars were almost identical and Porsche build around 160 of those. They are still rare and pricey but the 996 RSR cars are in another league. I recently answered another thread with details about current values of all of these models. You might want to check that out.
The Y in the VIN number indicates that the car was built in 00 - 01. After that, they put a number like 2, 3, 4, 5 in that same place in the VIN to indicate the year of manufacture.
Last edited by oemexp; 09-09-2016 at 12:45 PM.
08-29-2016, 10:19 AM
#6
In case you want to confirm that we are talking about the same car, ask the current owner who drove it at Daytona in 2000. My records show that the Haberthur car was driven by Luca Drudi, Fabio Babini, Fabio Rosa and Gabrio Rosa.
08-29-2016, 03:00 PM
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The owner confirms the drivers and every thing else you say . a very big THANK YOU he is asking about $150000
The car needs painting and assembly but comes with a Container full of parts he says there are 3 engines one with a hole in the cases loads of body panels, suspension, one gearbox but loads of gearbox parts , 60 wheels it seems the guy he bought it from bought all the parts that came up for sale and there is every thing you need to run the car
But the car and parts have been like this for the last 7 years
Do you think the price is reasonable , I have yet to see the car
Jim
The car needs painting and assembly but comes with a Container full of parts he says there are 3 engines one with a hole in the cases loads of body panels, suspension, one gearbox but loads of gearbox parts , 60 wheels it seems the guy he bought it from bought all the parts that came up for sale and there is every thing you need to run the car
But the car and parts have been like this for the last 7 years
Do you think the price is reasonable , I have yet to see the car
Jim
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08-29-2016, 09:54 PM
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Here is what I have accumulated for WP0ZZZ99ZYS692073
2000: #56,60,81 Haberthur Racing
2001: #78
2002: #77,89 Preci-Spark/Team Eurotech
2003: #75 Team Eurotech
2004: #44 JWR - Preci Spark
2000: #56,60,81 Haberthur Racing
2001: #78
2002: #77,89 Preci-Spark/Team Eurotech
2003: #75 Team Eurotech
2004: #44 JWR - Preci Spark
08-30-2016, 05:21 AM
#10
The owner confirms the drivers and every thing else you say . a very big THANK YOU he is asking about $150000
The car needs painting and assembly but comes with a Container full of parts he says there are 3 engines one with a hole in the cases loads of body panels, suspension, one gearbox but loads of gearbox parts , 60 wheels it seems the guy he bought it from bought all the parts that came up for sale and there is every thing you need to run the car
But the car and parts have been like this for the last 7 years
Do you think the price is reasonable , I have yet to see the car
Jim
The car needs painting and assembly but comes with a Container full of parts he says there are 3 engines one with a hole in the cases loads of body panels, suspension, one gearbox but loads of gearbox parts , 60 wheels it seems the guy he bought it from bought all the parts that came up for sale and there is every thing you need to run the car
But the car and parts have been like this for the last 7 years
Do you think the price is reasonable , I have yet to see the car
Jim
Without seeing the car, it's very hard to say what it's worth and this is especially true when you are being offered a container full of parts. If the car was restored really well (all VIN and decals are still in place to prove originality) and it's mechanically and cosmetically restored (no crash damage detected), it's worth at least that much. This car sounds like a project but if it includes another useable motor, lots of body work and other parts, it could easily be worth that as is. The motors are very costly from Porsche so extras really add up fast. All of the "R" type cars are moving north in price very quickly because they are being restored and starting to kick serious butt at vintage events around the world. That will only continue at a faster pace over the next 5+ years. Imagine driving your prized 935 or 962 at a vintage event and having Kevin Buckler rip past you in a corner in the Monster cable 996 RS that won GT at LeMans in 02? That happened at the Rennsport Reunion at Laguna Seca. He passed almost the whole field. The 18" radial tires and suspension on these cars allows them to do that. Much easier to drive hard and plenty of power to produce extremely low lap times at vintage events. It all adds up to millionaires searching around for one to put in their collection. Same drill as all previous Porsche factory race cars. Therefore, values are hard to access but the general rule is that you will get paid back if you hold it long enough. I think $150K is right in there if it has good bones, some race history and a ton of useable parts. That car has really good history.
09-09-2016, 12:40 PM
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I lost the 996 GT3R which was in England but have found another one I think WPOZZZ99Z1S692096 it is 13 cars on from the one in England but is a year later,am I correct in what I think
I lost the 996 GT3R which was in England but have found another one I think WPOZZZ99Z1S692096 it is 13 cars on from the one in England but is a year later,am I correct in what I think
09-09-2016, 12:53 PM
#12
I made a mistake previously with the years and models (which I fixed above, thanks for the correction Rob S.). The GT3R cars were 1999 and 2000 only. The 01-03 cars were GT3RS model cars. The 01 GT3RS cars shared the same body as the R but the motors were upgraded and other things. The front fenders got wider on the 2002 GT3RS cars.
The car you just found should be an 01 GT3RS but it should look like the R you found. It should have a 2x hole intake manifold instead of the larger single hole on the R.
The car you just found should be an 01 GT3RS but it should look like the R you found. It should have a 2x hole intake manifold instead of the larger single hole on the R.
09-12-2016, 03:03 AM
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692096 is a 2001 RS from Japan
You can find all the information on these cars right here
http://www.webbimages.co.uk/chassisindexpage.htm
You can find all the information on these cars right here
http://www.webbimages.co.uk/chassisindexpage.htm
