Question: maintenance of Cup vs. Clubsport
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From my experience,
Bought a new Clubsport in 2016 and put 3 seasons on it. 9800 miles.
Very easy to live with. No engine or transmission rebuilds during the 3 years. That is significant savings right there over 3 full seasons with a Cup powertrain rebuild schedule.
(The Mezger Cup car has engine and transmission rebuild schedule every 50-100 hours. And rebuilds are expensive with no warranty.)
The Cup car is a faster tool. Therefore it requires more scheduled maintenance given the higher rate of speed. Lap times go down, price goes up.
The Clubsport is an easier car to drive 10/10ths (fun to drive a slow car fast) thanks to ABS, ESC/TC and PDK. Turn all that stuff off and it can be a handful if you are not a clean driver.
The Cup car is harder to drive 10/10ths and has no ABS or TC. The cup car has more tire then the Clubsport but if you are not a seasoned driver you can still spin the car and flatspot the tires under aggressive braking until you get the hang of it.
Clubsport engine and transmission are replacement items. The cost to replace them almost match what it cost to rebuild the Cup engine and transmission.
So if you buy a tired cup or clubsport, the cost to totally refresh them should be not far off each other. the only bonus of Clubsport is how much time you wil get out of it again before powertrain replacement.
Lot of places for older Clubsports and older Cup cars to race. The Cup rebuild costs shouldnt really be a factor more so then the level of driver you are or intend to be. Afterall, what is an extra $35k service cost per season to be in a Cup?
Bought a new Clubsport in 2016 and put 3 seasons on it. 9800 miles.
Very easy to live with. No engine or transmission rebuilds during the 3 years. That is significant savings right there over 3 full seasons with a Cup powertrain rebuild schedule.
(The Mezger Cup car has engine and transmission rebuild schedule every 50-100 hours. And rebuilds are expensive with no warranty.)
The Cup car is a faster tool. Therefore it requires more scheduled maintenance given the higher rate of speed. Lap times go down, price goes up.
The Clubsport is an easier car to drive 10/10ths (fun to drive a slow car fast) thanks to ABS, ESC/TC and PDK. Turn all that stuff off and it can be a handful if you are not a clean driver.
The Cup car is harder to drive 10/10ths and has no ABS or TC. The cup car has more tire then the Clubsport but if you are not a seasoned driver you can still spin the car and flatspot the tires under aggressive braking until you get the hang of it.
Clubsport engine and transmission are replacement items. The cost to replace them almost match what it cost to rebuild the Cup engine and transmission.
So if you buy a tired cup or clubsport, the cost to totally refresh them should be not far off each other. the only bonus of Clubsport is how much time you wil get out of it again before powertrain replacement.
Lot of places for older Clubsports and older Cup cars to race. The Cup rebuild costs shouldnt really be a factor more so then the level of driver you are or intend to be. Afterall, what is an extra $35k service cost per season to be in a Cup?
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TurboDogue (11-19-2020)
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Japan has ABS in both Pro and Am classes.
Australia has ABS in Am only but may be changing this season too.
You'll see a WORLD of difference esp. in the wet, when we run our Asia cars against the Japan grid in their invitation races. They just brake 20-30m deeper everywhere
#51
Interesting thread....
I haven't seen real dollars posted. Can anybody provide some insight?
718 Clubsport (Track Day) or 981 - For a DE guy, no racing.
Curious on annual operational costs. Tires, Brakes, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, anything else noteworthy?
I see that you basically buy a new engine/tranny instead of rebuild on CS, what are those worth?
I haven't seen real dollars posted. Can anybody provide some insight?
718 Clubsport (Track Day) or 981 - For a DE guy, no racing.
Curious on annual operational costs. Tires, Brakes, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, anything else noteworthy?
I see that you basically buy a new engine/tranny instead of rebuild on CS, what are those worth?
#52
Interesting thread....
I haven't seen real dollars posted. Can anybody provide some insight?
718 Clubsport (Track Day) or 981 - For a DE guy, no racing.
Curious on annual operational costs. Tires, Brakes, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, anything else noteworthy?
I see that you basically buy a new engine/tranny instead of rebuild on CS, what are those worth?
I haven't seen real dollars posted. Can anybody provide some insight?
718 Clubsport (Track Day) or 981 - For a DE guy, no racing.
Curious on annual operational costs. Tires, Brakes, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, anything else noteworthy?
I see that you basically buy a new engine/tranny instead of rebuild on CS, what are those worth?
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Viper pilot (11-19-2020)
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FFaust (01-31-2020)
#55
As always
From my experience,
Bought a new Clubsport in 2016 and put 3 seasons on it. 9800 miles.
Very easy to live with. No engine or transmission rebuilds during the 3 years. That is significant savings right there over 3 full seasons with a Cup powertrain rebuild schedule.
(The Mezger Cup car has engine and transmission rebuild schedule every 50-100 hours. And rebuilds are expensive with no warranty.)
The Cup car is a faster tool. Therefore it requires more scheduled maintenance given the higher rate of speed. Lap times go down, price goes up.
The Clubsport is an easier car to drive 10/10ths (fun to drive a slow car fast) thanks to ABS, ESC/TC and PDK. Turn all that stuff off and it can be a handful if you are not a clean driver.
The Cup car is harder to drive 10/10ths and has no ABS or TC. The cup car has more tire then the Clubsport but if you are not a seasoned driver you can still spin the car and flatspot the tires under aggressive braking until you get the hang of it.
Clubsport engine and transmission are replacement items. The cost to replace them almost match what it cost to rebuild the Cup engine and transmission.
So if you buy a tired cup or clubsport, the cost to totally refresh them should be not far off each other. the only bonus of Clubsport is how much time you wil get out of it again before powertrain replacement.
Lot of places for older Clubsports and older Cup cars to race. The Cup rebuild costs shouldnt really be a factor more so then the level of driver you are or intend to be. Afterall, what is an extra $35k service cost per season to be in a Cup?
Bought a new Clubsport in 2016 and put 3 seasons on it. 9800 miles.
Very easy to live with. No engine or transmission rebuilds during the 3 years. That is significant savings right there over 3 full seasons with a Cup powertrain rebuild schedule.
(The Mezger Cup car has engine and transmission rebuild schedule every 50-100 hours. And rebuilds are expensive with no warranty.)
The Cup car is a faster tool. Therefore it requires more scheduled maintenance given the higher rate of speed. Lap times go down, price goes up.
The Clubsport is an easier car to drive 10/10ths (fun to drive a slow car fast) thanks to ABS, ESC/TC and PDK. Turn all that stuff off and it can be a handful if you are not a clean driver.
The Cup car is harder to drive 10/10ths and has no ABS or TC. The cup car has more tire then the Clubsport but if you are not a seasoned driver you can still spin the car and flatspot the tires under aggressive braking until you get the hang of it.
Clubsport engine and transmission are replacement items. The cost to replace them almost match what it cost to rebuild the Cup engine and transmission.
So if you buy a tired cup or clubsport, the cost to totally refresh them should be not far off each other. the only bonus of Clubsport is how much time you wil get out of it again before powertrain replacement.
Lot of places for older Clubsports and older Cup cars to race. The Cup rebuild costs shouldnt really be a factor more so then the level of driver you are or intend to be. Afterall, what is an extra $35k service cost per season to be in a Cup?
#56
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As some one on here once said, 'what part of Porsche racing did you think might not be expensive, the Racing part or the Porsche part??'