Glen

yes, and internals on cup are identical to stock gt3. Cup cams(same as street cams) are just key locked as opposed to variocam due to their wide open throttle time as opposed to the street gt3 needing the variocam for their street throttle needs... I didn't overhaul at 17000 either. Car was sold. It went much farther.

MarcD147

I dont have real data points yet but I tracked a street GT4 without real issues. However I carefully looked at a clubsport and a 996 cup when I wanted a car to go racing with and I decided to get a 996cup

factors that came into play:
clubsports are Aluminum and hard to fix after a body crashclubsports is more expensive to buy than a 996 cup
the MR package is not cheap
new clubsports will be coming out with unknown effect on classing and participating of existing cars
if the clubsports go to GTB3 the budgets will go up....
996 cup is harder to driver than a clubsport (especially coming from a GT4) but I relish the challenge.
parts time out on a 996 cup and are expensive
caymans might be cheaper but I always see people do a lot of work on them so I guess some stuff breaks....
GTC3 is a spec class. you cant really upgrade your car.

I ended up buying a very low hours 996 cup for 82k.... time will tell if that was the right decision but am very happy with it for now

alevine

I'm reviving an old thread as I too am curious about the maintenance and upkeep costs of a 2009 997 Cup versus a 2016 Clubsport. I am looking for a dedicated track car for track days at a private track. No racing, for now. Any additional insight on the 2009 997 Cup compared to the Clubsport?

spg993tt

go Clubstport . great machines. well developed. motors and trans should last materially longer than a 997 cup. not as twitchy or difficult to master, stable car.

redmonkey928

Exactly, user friendly and much more forgiving when it comes to mistakes and the learning curve. Probably easier at the moment to get parts for as well since its a current production car vs. out of production car with parts going to be less and less available down the road.

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stujelly

If first race car, I'd suggest clubsport as well.

I have had a 997.1 cup and a clubsport mr and now going to 991.2 cup

Assuming a 991 comparison to clubsport

Tires, brakes, fuel about a wash.

Regular maintenance oil, brake flush, caliper rebuilt, axles pretty close to same.

Body is a wash. Both glued multi metal bodies

Just depends what you are looking to accomplish.

Obturate

Had a Cayman Clubsport, now looking for a 991.1 Cup. The GT3 Cup just looks like more fun, although getting accustomed to no ABS may be quite a hurdle.

Obturate

Plus, considering what they're asking for a new Clubsport a used Cup car looks more appealing.

Birel22

I also am wondering what typical maintenance and running costs look like for a weekend warrior who primarily DEs the GT4CS. I made the mistake of running a few sessions in a close friend's car and am now seriously considering exiting my GT3 to pick up a CS. Any insight would be much appreciated. I know that tires are arguably the largest cost sink (how many heat cycles can you get out of the Pirelli slick?). What kind of longevity do major components such as axles, PDK, engine, calipers/rotors, dampers etc have? I really am smitten and working hard to justify it.

alevine

This is all really good insight and info! I truly appreciate the responses. I currently have a 997 that was transformed into a race car. Full cage, adjustable coil over suspension, stripped interior, fire suppression, GT3 brakes, Hoosier R7's, etc........ I bought the car used but the person that commissioned to have it built spent $75k excluding the cost of the car. It's a great build but my main gripes are that it is a regular Carerra (non S) 3.6 liter motor and the car only makes about 330HP. Weight is 3,000lbs. Brakes are fine but not great.

I am looking for something that is just more fun and a Clubsport or used 997 Cup seems interesting. There are a few Clubsports at my club. Maybe I'll ask one of the members who own one to drive a few laps in it to see the difference from my car once spring arrives.

For reference, I take either my 991 GT3 or 991 Turbo S on the track and those cars are monsters! Tons more power and I find myself with a bigger smile in those cars after each session. Now, all of that said, the GT3 and TTS reach speeds I am generally not comfortable with in a street car thus the desire for a purpose built car.

stujelly

so I started doing DE in a 997 RS. The went racing with a GTB-1 cayman, Just sold my clubsport to a DE guy.

My experience from DEing RS is a set of slicks tires would last all weekend and maybe into the first day of the next event. I would run michelin tires as they are cheaper than pirelli.

We get a set of pads to last all race weekend which I would say is at least twice the duration of a DE weekend.

From a safety perspective i'd run a clubsport all day vs a gt3 or RS. I would say the cost to DE RS or gt3 vs clubsport same.

What people dont mention is the depreciation of tracking a nice street car vs a used race.

I finance my street cars and pay cash for race cars so depends on money position too.

93 FireHawk 968

stujelly

if racing tire, degradation between cup and clubsport probably the same isnt it?

mooty

^very similar