Porsche Warranty - Covering track use
#16
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They will read your DME, and if you have type 1 or 2 over-revs and they conclude "track use", your warranty coverage may be denied. This is highly individual by dealer and customer, but came to a head due to PCCB's. PCCB failure was routinely denied (at a cost >$10,000)
My dealer even replaced tires that suffered belt-shift due to tracking, but others have been far less fortunate. Transmission problems in particular have been an issue, so subsequent popping ot of gear will be a headache.
I think you have to assume that track use will void your warranty for everything except courtesy lights. I haven't done this, but you could get your dealer to put any implied track warranty coverage into your purchase agreement. AS
My dealer even replaced tires that suffered belt-shift due to tracking, but others have been far less fortunate. Transmission problems in particular have been an issue, so subsequent popping ot of gear will be a headache.
I think you have to assume that track use will void your warranty for everything except courtesy lights. I haven't done this, but you could get your dealer to put any implied track warranty coverage into your purchase agreement. AS
#17
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Slicks shouldn't matter - aren't these cars made for racing? Or are they made to go to the grocery store? My main concern is the lack of a true dry-sump - internal work on these cars is a death march for your wallet.
So I guess it's a GT3, Twin Turbo as far as new cars are concerned at the track?
After reading all of your comments, I think I'll keep my 964 and get some ninemeister heads for it. Thanks for the input!
So I guess it's a GT3, Twin Turbo as far as new cars are concerned at the track?
After reading all of your comments, I think I'll keep my 964 and get some ninemeister heads for it. Thanks for the input!
#18
Originally Posted by agentpennypacker
Slicks shouldn't matter - aren't these cars made for racing?
Alan
#19
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Agentpennypacker,
The correct answer is B, grocery store. The manual specifically excludes racing, and has been extended to include tracking. This is a complete reversal of the philosophy of the 1990's, when your 964 was sold. AS
The correct answer is B, grocery store. The manual specifically excludes racing, and has been extended to include tracking. This is a complete reversal of the philosophy of the 1990's, when your 964 was sold. AS
#20
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Originally Posted by agentpennypacker
Slicks shouldn't matter - aren't these cars made for racing? Or are they made to go to the grocery store? My main concern is the lack of a true dry-sump - internal work on these cars is a death march for your wallet.
So I guess it's a GT3, Twin Turbo as far as new cars are concerned at the track?
After reading all of your comments, I think I'll keep my 964 and get some ninemeister heads for it. Thanks for the input!
So I guess it's a GT3, Twin Turbo as far as new cars are concerned at the track?
After reading all of your comments, I think I'll keep my 964 and get some ninemeister heads for it. Thanks for the input!
#21
Well, I have pulled some pretty serious G forces on street legal R rated-Hoosiers. I think it depends on the track. I know from an unfortunate experience that you can get oil starvation in a vintage 911 at Thunderhill on Hoosiers.....and I expect a Cayman with Hoosiers could pull even more Gs on long sweepers.
#22
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Thread Starter
Oldnslow - I guess a Cayman would just explode then, wouldn't it : ) Real race-bred cars have real dry sump lubrication. EVEN THE NEW CORVETTE Z06 HAS ONE! I never thought I'd see the day when a CHEVY was better built for road racing than any Porsche under $100k. Wow.
I understand the lateral G forces completely, and a true dry sump takes care of that. Hence, what the GT3, or the car that Porsche (well, not really since Porsche doesn't really have a race program anymore) built to race.
This is a very sad realization for me. Maybe I'll buy one for my wife.
I understand the lateral G forces completely, and a true dry sump takes care of that. Hence, what the GT3, or the car that Porsche (well, not really since Porsche doesn't really have a race program anymore) built to race.
This is a very sad realization for me. Maybe I'll buy one for my wife.
#23
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Originally Posted by agentpennypacker
Oldnslow - I guess a Cayman would just explode then, wouldn't it : ) Real race-bred cars have real dry sump lubrication. EVEN THE NEW CORVETTE Z06 HAS ONE! I never thought I'd see the day when a CHEVY was better built for road racing than any Porsche under $100k. Wow.
I understand the lateral G forces completely, and a true dry sump takes care of that. Hence, what the GT3, or the car that Porsche (well, not really since Porsche doesn't really have a race program anymore) built to race.
This is a very sad realization for me. Maybe I'll buy one for my wife.
I understand the lateral G forces completely, and a true dry sump takes care of that. Hence, what the GT3, or the car that Porsche (well, not really since Porsche doesn't really have a race program anymore) built to race.
This is a very sad realization for me. Maybe I'll buy one for my wife.
#24
I scanned a PDF copy of the main Cayman Manual and turned up several references to racing & tracking, listed below. The implication to me is that Porsche implicitly condones these activites, otherwise they would not refer to them like this in the manuals...
"[PCCB brakes section] ...the values communicated by Porsche are based
on normal operation adapted to traffic. Wear increases
considerably when the vehicle is driven on
race tracks or through an aggressive driving style."
"[Sports Chrono section] ... In Normal mode the running gear is in a sporty and
comfortable setup.
Sport mode offers a markedly sporty shock
absorber tuning (e.g. for driving on the race
circuit)."
"PSM (Porsche Stability Management) control is
sporty. PSM interventions are later than in
Normal mode; the vehicle can be maneuvered
with greater agility at its performance limits,
without the need to dispense with the assistance
of PSM in emergency situations. This
helps to achieve optimal lap times, particularly
on race circuits with a dry road surface."
"Several intermediate times can be displayed for a
route or for a lap on the race circuit. "
"You can use the stopwatch to measure time intervals,
e.g. on the race circuit or on work-related
journeys."
No mention that I can see that you should only use the Chrono system *after* warranty has expired, which would of course be quite silly.
"[PCCB brakes section] ...the values communicated by Porsche are based
on normal operation adapted to traffic. Wear increases
considerably when the vehicle is driven on
race tracks or through an aggressive driving style."
"[Sports Chrono section] ... In Normal mode the running gear is in a sporty and
comfortable setup.
Sport mode offers a markedly sporty shock
absorber tuning (e.g. for driving on the race
circuit)."
"PSM (Porsche Stability Management) control is
sporty. PSM interventions are later than in
Normal mode; the vehicle can be maneuvered
with greater agility at its performance limits,
without the need to dispense with the assistance
of PSM in emergency situations. This
helps to achieve optimal lap times, particularly
on race circuits with a dry road surface."
"Several intermediate times can be displayed for a
route or for a lap on the race circuit. "
"You can use the stopwatch to measure time intervals,
e.g. on the race circuit or on work-related
journeys."
No mention that I can see that you should only use the Chrono system *after* warranty has expired, which would of course be quite silly.
#25
I finally got a chance to read the warranty brochure. The "warranty does not cover...accident...competition, racing, or track use". While tracking the car doesn't void the warranty, Porsche won't cover damage resulting from track use. The warranty covers defective parts "under normal use". Competition puts unusual stress on a car and I am not surprised by the exclusion. On the other hand, the wording is subject to interpretation and I can see a dealer covering certain items even if you track your car. Maintaining a good relationship with your dealer is probably very important in determining whether or not warranty claims will be covered in questionable situations.
Alan
Alan