69gaugeman

So I plugged in the VAGCOM last night and it was able to see (and all other VAG features) the engine module and the transmission module.

It failed to see the abs and airbag and HVAC or seats. I stopped the autoscan as it takes three tries for each module.

69gaugeman

Another Thing the Treg is better at is the open door alarm. The open door alarm only shows up when the vehicle starts to move on the P!g?!?!?! What? That makes exactly zero sense to me. The VW display is door monitor until the doors are closed. As it should be. Why would I want to know which door is open once I start moving? I know a door is open, as the light is on.

bigbuzuki

C'mon Gaugeman, stop finding excuses not to dump the Touareg.

wrinkledpants

You should be able to scan everything. Don't do an autoscan - just go to the modules. First tab should be the common modules, while the other tabs will be for each specific area of the Treg.

hahnmgh63

I've found the same at least here in N. America, manufacturers pricing schemes are usually different for different markets. Sometimes Porsche parts are more than the same VAG (Audi/VW) part, and sometimes they are cheaper. I've found the same on my Audi's, sometimes I can get a VW part for less but sometimes it's more, usually the VW part is less but not always.

69gaugeman

Pretty sure the Treg is done. It has features I like better, but not the power. Single-handedly that is the deal maker.

Parked them side by side last night and while I like the roof line at the back of the Cayenne, the tail light design of the Treg looks MUCH better.

visitador

Sounds to me that 69gaugeman is in a polygamy relationship, dating both sisters at the same time (one has a better rack, one has a better "you know what"), and cannot make up his mind.

69gaugeman

linksamui

lol congrad on the buys. They both nice. Love my 04 turbo. I would buy a touareg vr6 just to try to like twin turbo it lol. Touareg would make a good sleeper. Other than that Cayenne win.

army182

I own a Cayenne s and have also driven the toureg and no I haven't driven that particular year toureg, I drive the 2011 Cayenne s and 09 toureg and there is a BIG difference. The toureg wasn't nearly as responsive as the toureg. 400HP vs 350HP. 4.8L v8 vs 4.2L v8. The toureg is underpowered in my opinion, for its weight. The diesel is a beast tho, but the gas job could use some more kick and power to weight distribution is a big factor too. For a midsize, it is heavy. The Cayenne S rides like a sports car (not a 911 but still very sporty) unlike the toureg, well it just rides like an SUV. Smooth, but not confident on tighter turns. both have excellent quality and durability. Everyone has their own way of driving so I can't speak against your experience but that's what I noticed.

grohgreg

As I mentioned earlier, I've owned both as well; an '11 Touareg, and a '13 Cayenne. But since both mine were turbo diesels, I'll try to focus this post on drive train and suspension. Whereas the Cayenne is on the standard steel suspension, it's still a performance setup when compared to the boat-like ride of the Touareg. On the same roads, I can comfortably take the same curves 20 mph faster in the Cayenne than I could in the Touareg.

Lacking in the Touareg - but standard in the Cayenne - is Sport Mode. It remaps both the engine and transmission shift points to where the Cayenne can give the Touareg a serious hole shot at red lights. My Diesel in fact blows the doors off Dodge Ram Hemis. But in the spirit of full disclosure, I do have a turbo diesel tuning box. Further, the Touareg was $48k, the Cayenne was $71k.

Back to the comparison however - and this might be my imagination - but it also seems like Sport Mode tweaks the suspension a little as well. But that could simply be a state of mind created by the fun factor added by Sport Mode. So turbo-diesel versus gasoline aside, I can't help but agree that the Cayenne with any engine has it all over a similarly powered Touareg.

//greg//

Dilberto

Volkswagen did NOT commission Porsche to design the Cayenne. Porsche alone realized they simply cannot survive selling pricey sports cars exclusively. They saw BMW was straight-up, killing it with the X5 and Mercedes the ML-Class. Their future depended on offering the wildly-popular, SUV segment, despite their purist, sportscar roots. The Porsche Board invited design concepts in 1999 and the final Cayenne design was accepted by UK designer Steve Murkett, in 2001. Porsche sold VAG license to the Cayenne platform and parts interchangeability. The Cayenne SAVED Porsche a second time(first, was VW-commissioned Porsche 924). Without it - there would be no Cayman, Panamera, and GT3....

gnat

That's not entirely correct.

It was the 996 that saved Porsche at the turn of the century. Without it the Cayenne would never have seen the light of day.

The Cayenne also started its life much earlier (late 80s IIRC) as a design concept that was ignored. The designer brought it up a few times only to be shot down. In the late 90s it finally got traction, but Porsche did not have the capability to do it on their own.

Initially they courted Benz for a joint development, but they (obviously) didn't go that route. Their next stop was VAG and the rest, as they say, is history.

The Cayenne has since been so successful and made Porsche so flush with cash that they have been able to continue the sports cars and they even made a failed bid to purchase VW itself (which led to VW acquiring them instead).

There was a great Panorama article about it all sometime last year.

visitador

I thought it was the 986 that saved Porsche the second time. Otherwise the 996 would be extremely expensive on its own. No?

touareg

My understanding is Porsche needed a vehicle to save the company, but did not have the funds at the time. VW was willing to spit up the cash, in exchange for rights to use the platform engineering knowledge that was gained and have a similar SUV. So VW = $$$ and Porsche = Brains.

Commission (verb) give an order for or authorize the production of (something such as a building, piece of equipment, or work of art), in this case an SUV platform.

Why would any company, especially one that has the largest profit margin on cars, license out a platform to an econo car company that would more than likely devalue its brand and cannibalize sales (which the Touareg does for the for Porsche) unless it had to (financial issues at the time).

This article still implies to me that Porsche was hired to design an SUV and it agreed to let VW use the tech for that SUV if it paid for the initial design work.

I would love to read a good fact based story that shows my understanding is wrong, but for now I believe that this SUV is all Porsche Design, with VW paying the bill and retaining rights to use the platform and experiences gained initially.

http://wardsauto.com/news-analysis/love-fest-over

Volkswagen AG's plan to develop a cross/utility vehicle for its luxury Audi marque is causing consternation at development partner Porsche AG.

Porsche contends that for VW to bring a Touareg/Porsche Cayenne-derived Audi CUV to market, it must pay a licensing fee to Porsche for the engineering.

VW executives are denouncing Porsche's stance, saying the joint contract covering co-development of the Touareg/Cayenne does not require a fee if the platform is re-engineered by VW to accommodate a vehicle for a different nameplate.

Audi AG showed its CUV hand when it unveiled the Pikes Peak concept at the Detroit auto show in January. The Pikes Peak is loosely based on an extended-wheelbase version of the Cayenne/Touareg platform and uses a number of components found in the two CUVs. The Pikes Peak carries a platform designation of PL75, while the Cayenne/Touareg was drawn from the Colorado platform.

“If Audi does go that route and decides to develop the Pikes Peak…that shared platform is done through a licensing agreement with Porsche, so they would then have to license that platform from us,” Gary Fong, product publicity specialist for Cayenne at Porsche Cars North America Inc., tells Ward's.

Porsche contends that as a partner on the Colorado program, it would be owed residuals if another vehicle were developed directly off the existing platform.

“That is absolute nonsense,” Erwin Pape, member of Volkswagen AG's management board and executive vice president-product development for commercial vehicles, tells Ward's. “Porsche has not developed that (the PL75) platform, and they do not have license for that platform.”

Matthais Kroll, project manager-off-road vehicles at Volkswagen, explains the VW/Porsche relationship: “There is a license with Porsche in terms of using this same platform with the same dimensions, without any change…and just badge another brand of the VW group on it. In that case, we have to pay Porsche to license it.”

Developing a longer-wheelbase version of the platform for another vehicle with different dimensions and new technologies nullifies Porsche's licensing rights, Pape contends.

Additionally, the contract does not restrict use of the CUV's components by either of the companies.

“PL75 (the Audi Pikes Peak platform) is not the Colorado (platform). There is no payback to Porsche on that,” Pape insists.

The perceived rift may be coming to light because VW did not give Porsche a heads-up on the Pikes Peak development plans, sources say. Porsche executives were not informed of VW's intentions until weeks — or possibly days — before the Audi CUV concept was shown to the public.