dgz924s

There is not one Porsche model designed for rapid acceleration at all. Never will be one either. Just an simplfied adjustment to M758 comment on 944 acceleration.

tone3721

Wow, thank you for the info. Ive figured most of what youve pointed out, I figured with most of the work being very cheap for me maybe i could bore to a 3.0 relatively cheap. Then again, i could install a 968 swap. In hindsight tho it would be easier to just buy a 951. 944's are very cheap, and actually I am grateful for that, Ive had an obsession with porsche since about the age of 8. Eventually, ill work may way up to a 911, until then i really enjoy my 944. Maybe i should just save for a 951, ive never really been a big fan of turbochargers/superchargers. I couldnt really see spending more than 10k for one, i think most people selling their porsche's expect way too much. Bluebook top dollar is about 7500$$$, and most anybody ive seen selling one that has actually been takin care of starts at about 10k. So what it says porsche on it, people think that because of the name they can get more. Ideally id like to be in a 968, porsches to me are prescious, and should be preserved and so many people on the lower end price of the porsche spectrum dont seem to respect their cars. Again thanks for the info, if you could im me with some details on pca autocross meets, I actually think i might attend and check out the scene.
thanks,
tone

Sam Lin

Values are overly inflated in AZ, I looked about a month ago and cars were going about 1k higher than I'd deem fair value. At that point I was planning on putting one of my 951 up for sale for 7k in AZ.

Sam

DDP

If you are looking to gain some power, look into your tranny. But after reading what M758 just wrote, I dont think you can care about power. You know you could publish what you just typed as a good long book. I would buy it!

tone3721

A book, really? Not sure im really understanding what your getting at. Sarcasm? lol Or seriously? I dunno

M758

Tone... Here is link to the Az PCA website.
Arizona PCA Website

We are a pretty good group and very easy going. Autocrosses typically run about $25-30 and you get 8-12 runs at the track. We do groups or 2-3 flying laps around 35-60 second courses. In a 944 NA they are all 2nd gear. Typical counts are 30-40 cars. I attend most autocrosses and will be at the next one on Oct 9,10th. Saturday is out annual school and a great chance to learn basic skills with lots of track time, Sunday is the first autocross of the year. We are having a night event Oct 2nd, but this mostly a test event since we have never done a night one. I drive a faded powder blue 83 944 #31. My wife drives it as #79. Come by and say hi or better yet sign-up and drive.

PS... The schools is great time to work on basic skills I have attend the school once as student and a few times as an instructor. Lots of fun and well worth the effort and money.. I think it is $50 for school and the sunday autocross.

Ed944-968

If you're a decent mechanic and you don't mind having your car off the road for a while you could consider a 944S2 3.0L swap. Yes it is pretty intense and the electronics need to be swapped also but it is doable. Figure $2-3K for the engine with the wiring harness, DME etc. I have left other requirements (don't want to kill you with a long message). The 3.0L would be a much better starting point if you want that kind of HP.
I've done the 3.0 S2 swap to my 1986. send me an email if you want any other details.

Christer

In my opinion, NA power gains are the best as you keep the response and control of the engine and avoid lag or too much low down torque. I do agree that NA gains are the most expensive, but I think that it is important to bear in mind that quite a lot of people just prefer it that way. I really didn't want forced induction - but thats just me.

My point is that I am sure it is quite possible to get a decent amount of power out of the 2.5/3.0(if you bore or buy new P&C's) - you just have to find the people with the knowhow. Also, as someone said it is also about upgrading the parts to take the extra power. I have been lucky in only that respect I guess, the diff and gearbox etc of the 964 is massively overengineered and so you don't really get problems in the drivetrain. It certainly wouldn't be a cheap project, but I would be very interested in hearing about progress from Tone or anyone else who decides to pursue such a project.

Damian in NJ

Just to give you an idea, my stock 968 is giving 205rwhp on a Dynojet. I'm swapping the exhaust to a Cargraphic 100 cell cat and exhaust system, putting on an adjustable fpr, and having a new chip burned on the dyno. Other people have done this and added about 20-30 hp, but I'm not making any guesses except I know I'll get some more hp as my a/f ratio is running a little lean right now.

tone3721

Well, my main issue with my 944 is its an auto, if i cant get more power or sell and upgrade to a turbo, im gonna just monster the hell out of it. Im thinkin drop a 968 6 speed, (anybody be able to start me in the right direction with this? ie: been done before and what will it entail?), id like to keep the engine porsche although an lt1 beast is very tempting, although dropping in a 3.0 litre would be nice, i imagine it will be much more expensive overalll and in the long run.
TONE

Geo

Oh brother. Once again everybody says there is nothing that can be done. The facts are different however. You won't get 250 whp, but you should be able to get comfortably over 200 hp at the crank.

What it takes is money, time, money, testing, money, tuning, money, etc.

As M758 said, Jon Milledge is getting 185 bhp in SCCA IT trim. That is a very mild engine. It has the factory cam, the factory cam timing, factory valves, no port and polish, only a half point increase in compression.

The reason everyone says you can't get more is because people don't want to spend the money. A JME cam is $650. So is his header (the other commonly available headers are virtually worthless). You could play with cam timing. personally I'd scrap the engine management for something with a MAF and convert to sequential injection instead of batch. I'd bet big money there is power in the head, but that takes money, time, and money to do all the testing to find it. Milledge supposedly makes big gains just in his port matching (all that's allowed in IT). Pulleys and flywheel won't actually make true crank hp, but they will show up as such on an inertial dyno because they spin up faster.

I have little doubt there is power to be made with this engine. The real issue is it will cost more than the car is worth to get it and that's why everyone just buys a 951. And that is why nobody really does any NA engine development.

That said, with the slushbox most real gains will be lost in the slush.

M758

Yeah... Auto's in a 944 mean what little power the car has is further lost by the slushbox. Unfortuanlty not much you can do except swap in a manual gearbox. You don't want a 968 unit as it is not geared right for the motor.

944NA + Auto =

tone3721

So, i wouldnt need to change out the whole tanny? just the gear box? and install a clutch and shifter?

Chaos

Those numbers will require a cam , head work ,bigger pistons,injectors,chip !

porshhhh951

a 944n/a auto looking for power. Start with a much better base like a s2 wth a 5speed if you hate turbo's so much. Which I don't get. Turbo's make great power and tq and pull hard in the upper rpm's. If the car is tuned right ofcourse. You should just buy a 951 do a few bolt on's make 250rwhp and be done with it. Or like I said if you just hate them that much buy a s2 or a 968. My uncle had a 95 968 with a 6speed it was a very fun car to drive and although it wasent very fast it should could corner. On the road couse high hp doesn't really matter as much as driver anyways. I say get some DE's under your belt and get invloved in PCA SCCA ect. Your car will become faster once you learn how to drive it.

Oh and get rid of a auto 944. I know I already said it.lol. Buy a s2 and be happy. Great car's decent power and great handling.