vtc4198

And wait till the new 928 comes out!
Porsche will be up even more
http://www.motorintelligence.com/m_frameset.html
Click new vehicle sales data

Porsche Cars N.A. Inc. 2,141 902 137.4%
Total Cars . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,645 627 162.4%

Dan87951

Are those actual cars that have been sold to customers or cars that are sold to dealers....? My dealer still has theres on the lot.

anonymousagain

says "Retail Sales".

wonder how long until Saab finally gets jettisoned by GM....

NoVector

And Cayenne sales are down 40% this year (CYTD); assuming that's the "light truck". A friend of mine thinks Porsche underestimated how much the Panamera would appeal to women. I think he might be right--a 4-door family hauler that's sporty but isn't an SUV.

pcar928fan

^^^^
That may be true, but the fact is there are damn few people who are willing to spend $100k on a 4 door car of ANY kind! Let alone a not overly attractive PanAm... My dealer has 8 of them parked out front and a bunch more out back! The one they let me borrow a few months ago was a 2S with a window sticker of $110k! OMG!!! SERIOUSLY?!

Oh, and Porsche expects to sell 20,000 world wide a year! HA! DREAM ON!!!

Chuck Z

Prolly has a lot to do with the fact there was a completely new model for MY 2011.

Chuck Z

20,000 will undoubtedly happen; especially with the intro of the 6 popper. With emerging markets like China the good ole US of A will shortly be an afterthought for Porsche.

I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding your opinion on the styling of Panamera. My wife and I have had 60+ cars and NONE have drawn the kind of attention this one has. People snapping cell phone pics in traffic, getting thumbs up from other drivers, people at the grocery store come up and ask about it. When we take it to dinner the valet's wave us to the park in front of the restaurant...... It's funny, most of the people who do not like it are "Porsche" enthusiasts. The car has a presence that does not show up in pics.

Tell me this is not a great looking car....

pcar928fan

Chuck,

Your car looks great, but Porsche is DREAMING on the 20k cars a year front! That would mean over 10,000 would have to be sold here in the US (we are still more than 50% of P's total business) and if the economy does not get better (and FAST) they will be lucky to sell 5000 cars. Keep in mind that for Porsche the biggest sales year is usually the first year and/or a big model change improvement year...

Time will tell, but my bet is they will NOT sell 20,000 PanAm's a year ANY year in the next 6 or maybe more... just my guess.

Chuck Z

James,

Porsche might not sell 20k Panameras but there will most certainly be more than 5k sold. Unlike the dealer in your area the dealer here has inventory that turns over regularly. Rarely do I go there and see the same Panameras that were there the last time I visited.

I know there is a raging debate about how Porsche counts sold cars but I thought I remembered hearing they've already sold 10,000 Panameras? Thought there was a picture of the 10,000th car rolling off the assembly line?

IcemanG17

WOW I'm surprised the auto market has recovered (as a whole) so quickly.....pretty much everyone is posting solid gains compared to the dismal year last year

Nicole

20000 cars/year are about 1650 per month though their worldwide dealer network. I don't know the total number of dealers, but my wild guess is there are at least 800, which means every dealer has to sell two per month.

You think that's not doable?

Also, you need to stop looking at your own micro-cosmos - in emerging markets, Porsche does not have the same history of only offering sports cars - because they haven't offered anything there in the past.

And people there are not quite as familiar with the fun of driving, and may look more for status, pratical needs, and cars that can withstand the conditions under which they are driving.

Panamera and Cayenne are crucial in those markets, to position the brand as an upscale brand and justify the cost of a dealer network. The sports cars have a much smaller market share in those environments.

Dan87951

Is this your car?

SeanR

They are flying off the lots here in DFW, this surprises me not. It's a fantastic car. If we buy the father-in-laws 500, I'll talk him in to the Panamera.

Chuck Z

.....uh, why?

pcar928fan

Well, I guess time will tell Nicole... I was simply comparing it to the M5's etc...I think they sell about 20k M5's per year (maybe more even) and as ugly as that car is the PanAm certainly does not have anything on it in the looks dept and costs like $40k more for the same performance. The M5 compares to the PanAm Turbo in performance IIRC and the M5's are in the $80k range...that is the price of the V6 PanAm's I have seen! Emerging markets are fine too, but the US is STILL 52-55% of ALL Porsche business. They call them emerging for a reason, it will take much time for them to be a HUGE input to the P-car bottom line. The US still drives the boat for Porsche, as much as they hate that.

Chuck, I was just reading about them and you are right 10,000 came off the line recently. Of that number 9,000 were PRE-ORDERED! So, yea, they should be turning off the lots fast for now. The REAL test is NEXT YEAR when all orders are filled and they are just there for the taking...will anyone?

I am just saying the first year is always an interesting one for P-cars and it is what happens down the road that will make the difference. My prediction...20k a year worldwide...not gonna happen. Just like the 928 never took the place of the 911.

We will see. If I am wrong I will be more than happy to say I was wrong and will be so glad to see Porsche making a ton of money and some great cars. Heck if they do sell that many maybe they will step back up to the top class of racing at LeMans or even do something with F1 again...I'd LOVE to see that!