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Old 05-14-2019, 12:05 PM
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I noticed PDCC is not on configurator for E hybrid so I inquired with my local Porsche manager. He sent an internal email and was told that PDCC is only available on 4S, GTS, and turbo.

I donít know whether or not it was previously available, and the email didnít mention base or Turbo S e hybrid. I think itís standard equipment on turbo S though.

But it wonít be available on E hybrid. Bummer.
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Originally Posted by Johnny5Alive View Post
I noticed PDCC is not on configurator for E hybrid so I inquired with my local Porsche manager. He sent an internal email and was told that PDCC is only available on 4S, GTS, and turbo.

I donít know whether or not it was previously available, and the email didnít mention base or Turbo S e hybrid. I think itís standard equipment on turbo S though.

But it wonít be available on E hybrid. Bummer.
PDCC is standard on the turbo S e-hybrid


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It was an option for the Gen 1 in most trims I think too. I think its kind of dumb that they don't just include the features that make the car what it is. I get it, I just think its dumb.
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It was an option for the Gen 1 in most trims I think too. I think its kind of dumb that they don't just include the features that make the car what it is. I get it, I just think its dumb.
okay, I'll be contrarian. Porsche is one of the smartest companies in the auto sector when it comes to portfolio strategy and maximizing MSRP using options. PDCC is not available on base Panamera models because PDCC along with torque vectoring, PASM and Sport Chrono are signals that you want a performance model and Porsche will upsell you $80k into a Turbo S.

No offense to any the other Panamera models but a Turbo S in hybrid or non-hybrid form is in a whole different performance class so why offer tarted up models with performance options outside of the full performance package? Whatever that answer is, as far as Porsche is concerned it is really about money and getting as much of it as possible on a new sale.
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The reason the turbo hybrid has PDCC was supposedly all the extra weight of batteries. Really makes no sense

I spent another 20k more on a 19 just to get PDCC and a few other options.
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Originally Posted by jnolan View Post
okay, I'll be contrarian. Porsche is one of the smartest companies in the auto sector when it comes to portfolio strategy and maximizing MSRP using options. PDCC is not available on base Panamera models because PDCC along with torque vectoring, PASM and Sport Chrono are signals that you want a performance model and Porsche will upsell you $80k into a Turbo S.

No offense to any the other Panamera models but a Turbo S in hybrid or non-hybrid form is in a whole different performance class so why offer tarted up models with performance options outside of the full performance package? Whatever that answer is, as far as Porsche is concerned it is really about money and getting as much of it as possible on a new sale.
I don't think that's contrarian. I was agreeing with you passive aggressively. I think it dumb and confusing to not have a performance sedan, have all the goodies. Or I should say all those goodies that make the car. I said that I get it, and from a marketing/option standpoint I makes sense. As a buyer its way too confusing. Have a base model sure. Have a GTS with all the goodies, and the turbo with goodies plus more power. The amount of stuff that should be on every car, from backup camera to safety equipment, to cruise control options that every other manufacture well below this price range, is way too complicated. Again I get it, and I get why they do it, it doesn't make it any less irritating. The Turbo should 100% come with all the active handing standard. You give the S some additional HP, maybe the carbon brakes as standard, and of course now you have the super/hybrid S stuff as well for the halo car. All of the performance oriented models, GTS, Turbo, Turbo s should have PDCC, PASM and PVT+. I get why they don't. I think its dumb and annoying from a tongue and cheek standpoint. Its not dumb from a business standpoint as its not hurting sales. Porsche brand isn't about the best bang for the buck - nope. Its special sauce.
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Well considering the stats on the car, I am actively choosing the E hybrid over the 4S. I donít understand why the 4S would be any more ďperformance orientedĒ other than weight, and from what Iíve read, the differences between the two cars from an acceleration standpoint are hardly noticeable in real world use. 4S vs E hybrid seems more a matter of preference.

Now that hat being said if I had my way Iíd go GTS but as it is with tax breaks and the 6,000 gvwr tax depreciation for my business Iím ordering an E hybrid specíd To the max at close to GTS pricing which after tax breaks Iím getting a huge benefit for will be a relative bargain. If the GTS was 100 lbs heavier then Iíd go that way. Strange, I know, but the new depreciation rules for business write offs on 6,000 gvwr is real. Turbo S e hybrid is still more than I want to spend on this car, albeit with the same tax breaks, and the leftover Turbo S Ď18ís just arenít specíd the way my wife wants it. So ordering an E hybrid and loading it up is the best way for us to get 90% of what we want and spending the least after tax breaks.

But, given the added weight of the E hybrid over the a specd 4S or GTS, PDCC would have been a welcome addition to our order.

this is mostly the spec we put in for a 2020 order. Note that 2020 configurator isnít up yet unless at the dealer so I had to replicate in the 2019. Please note, that PDCC isnít on the 2019 configurator either.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PK14TAD9

I added the light up carbon sills and the Alcantara headliner to it afterwards, so those options arenít in the spec but we added them. PTS was available to us but lead times pushed us out to next March for delivery and my wife doesnít want that much of a wait. As you can tell weíd probably like the GTS but the tax breaks widen the difference in cost significantly.

real bummer on not being able to add PDCC because I bet an e hybrid would benefit from it.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
The reason the turbo hybrid has PDCC was supposedly all the extra weight of batteries. Really makes no sense

I spent another 20k more on a 19 just to get PDCC and a few other options.
Might want to check this. PDCC isnít available on 2019 e hybrids either. Unless you have a turbo s hybrid.
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Originally Posted by Paul Rathjen View Post
I don't think that's contrarian. I was agreeing with you passive aggressively. I think it dumb and confusing to not have a performance sedan, have all the goodies. Or I should say all those goodies that make the car. I said that I get it, and from a marketing/option standpoint I makes sense. As a buyer its way too confusing. Have a base model sure. Have a GTS with all the goodies, and the turbo with goodies plus more power. The amount of stuff that should be on every car, from backup camera to safety equipment, to cruise control options that every other manufacture well below this price range, is way too complicated. Again I get it, and I get why they do it, it doesn't make it any less irritating. The Turbo should 100% come with all the active handing standard. You give the S some additional HP, maybe the carbon brakes as standard, and of course now you have the super/hybrid S stuff as well for the halo car. All of the performance oriented models, GTS, Turbo, Turbo s should have PDCC, PASM and PVT+. I get why they don't. I think its dumb and annoying from a tongue and cheek standpoint. Its not dumb from a business standpoint as its not hurting sales. Porsche brand isn't about the best bang for the buck - nope. Its special sauce.
it seems like $20k in add-ons is the expectation when spec'ing a new Porsche these days. With the Taycan coming out, I am curious to see how they either continue this or break from it and follow Tesla's lead of building everything into the car and software enabling post-purchase.
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Old 05-16-2019, 05:24 PM
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Ugh. To make matters worse it appears PDCC is available on base cayenne coupe.

so what was that about it only being available on ďsports modelsĒ again?
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny5Alive View Post
Ugh. To make matters worse it appears PDCC is available on base cayenne coupe.

so what was that about it only being available on ďsports modelsĒ again?
They want you to buy a Turbo e-hybrid to get PDCC. Honestly, it's just dynamic anti-roll bars... it's not exotic. If I had to choose between PASM and PDCC, I'd take PASM. PASM+RAS goes a long way to getting you what PDCC offers. It's silly to think of these full-size sedans as a track weapon, which is the only place you will really feel the effects of PDCC. Around town and in canyon carving, PSM and RAS will be far more effective.

Regarding the Cayenne, the model range is not as great as the Panamera and the turbo Cayenne starts at "only" $124k vs $151k for Panamera Turbo. $186k for a Turbo S e-hybrid. Nothing in this debate is really about the base Panamera and PDCC, it's entirely about the upsell to a Turbo S Panamera. You should just get a Turbo S e-hybrid, if for no other reason than the car is freaking phenomenal to drive.
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PDCC is a lot more than roll bars. It ties the whole car together.
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Originally Posted by jnolan View Post
They want you to buy a Turbo e-hybrid to get PDCC. Honestly, it's just dynamic anti-roll bars... it's not exotic. If I had to choose between PASM and PDCC, I'd take PASM. PASM+RAS goes a long way to getting you what PDCC offers. It's silly to think of these full-size sedans as a track weapon, which is the only place you will really feel the effects of PDCC. Around town and in canyon carving, PSM and RAS will be far more effective.

Regarding the Cayenne, the model range is not as great as the Panamera and the turbo Cayenne starts at "only" $124k vs $151k for Panamera Turbo. $186k for a Turbo S e-hybrid. Nothing in this debate is really about the base Panamera and PDCC, it's entirely about the upsell to a Turbo S Panamera. You should just get a Turbo S e-hybrid, if for no other reason than the car is freaking phenomenal to drive.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I have a GT3 for that. Iím buying this car for my wife so I really donít want to spend Turbo S money for power sheíll never use. Iím specing it the way I am because I still drive it occasionally also. I only wanted PDCC to help offset the issues of weight.

anyway, Iíll stick with the ďbasicĒ e hybrid. Iím sure Iíll get over the loss of PDCC I just think itís dumb.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
PDCC is a lot more than roll bars. It ties the whole car together.
yes, it definitely involves more than dynamic anti-roll bars but my point is that if you get RAS and PASM (which I am not sure is available on the base e-hybrid) you get a lot of the benefit of having PDCC. PDCC works with all the components and the design objective of the system is to keep the car flat when cornering or on uneven ground. That's not my opinion, that is exactly what Porsche says about it and the technical documentation makes specific references to the interaction with PASM, RAS, and PTV (Sport Chrono as well).

At any rate, it's a Panamera. As much as we want to believe that all these options "make the car" they really do not because it would be foolish to take something this heavy on a track for anything other than the novelty of it. I drive my Panamera (I do have a Turbo S e-hybrid sport turismo) and I'm pretty damn amazed that the thing drives as well as it does but it's still a 5,500 lb car and I don't obsess about lap times in it. It would be hard for me to say what a non-Turbo S Panamera would drive like but I'd miss something much more meaningful if I downgraded. The engine.
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Originally Posted by jnolan View Post
okay, I'll be contrarian. Porsche is one of the smartest companies in the auto sector when it comes to portfolio strategy and maximizing MSRP using options. PDCC is not available on base Panamera models because PDCC along with torque vectoring, PASM and Sport Chrono are signals that you want a performance model and Porsche will upsell you $80k into a Turbo S.

No offense to any the other Panamera models but a Turbo S in hybrid or non-hybrid form is in a whole different performance class so why offer tarted up models with performance options outside of the full performance package? Whatever that answer is, as far as Porsche is concerned it is really about money and getting as much of it as possible on a new sale.
Very true, and letís not forget they are selling the notion of exclusivity on a grand scale as well as micro. Not being able to get an option for a buyer who wants it sucks. But the guys who can get it the option, or already have it feel a little special on the sub conscious level. These Porsche marketing guys are Psyops masters.

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