CanuckGT4

pokingaround

I love car reviews like this. Dude is having a ball.

jnolan

I do think it is one of the best cars available today but it’s not a wagon. It’s a shooting brake.

I also have an E63S Estate and the comparisons of the Panamera Sport Turismo to the E63S are misplaced. These are very different cars. The E63S is pretty raw and brutal by comparison while the Panamera is much more refined, which is fitting for a car that can run $90k more than the E63S. I am just getting used to my Panamera Turbo S E-hybrid Sport Turismo but I can tell you that each car has strengths that make them stand alone from the other. If i was looking for a car to replicate what I have with my AMG, I would be disappointed but the inverse is also true in that getting into my E63S feels like I am now stepping down a class.

cometguy

It really is a wagon. There are lots of different designs to wagons.

jnolan

pokingaround

Wellllll.....I think what this really gets to is the question of whether or not a coupe can be a 4-door vehicle. If one believes "yes" then sure, the ST is a shooting brake. If one believes "no" - and there are many in this camp, despite what several mfrs call their slope-roofed 4-door vehicles - then the ST is a wagon.

I don't especially care about the terminology either way, I'm just really excited to receive my ST

jnolan

CanuckGT4

I personally tell everyone i own a wagon, not a shooting brake, that just sounds...well not cool.
My sense is that a shooting brake is a 2 door estate/wagon. If it has 4 doors, it's a wagon more than anything else although the terms overlap greatly.
I think you can use wagon or sb interchangeably these days pretty safely, just pick what you like and run with it.
shooting brake

pokingaround

Meh. I'm not sure I'm prepared to defer "the way things should be" to a company that charges 4 figures for options like adaptive cruise control that come standard on $30k Hondas. As for other mfrs copying the CLS, that doesn't make those cars 'coupes' - for those who feel a coupe must have 2 doors - any more than Porsche saying the ST is a shooting brake makes it a shooting brake, IMO.

Agree.

lbcgolf

Just to be sure, the Jag you're talking about doesn't exist other than people wet dreaming on the internets. The XF Sportbrake DOES exist, but despite what the official model name implies, having seen it up close, I'd call it a wagon.

As far as the argument on this thread goes, I think the ST leans a bit more toward shooting brake side simply because the cargo room behind the back seat is so small compared to the traditional wagon and just a hair bigger than the traditional bodied Panny. Having said that, I agree that saying you got a Porsche wagon is way cooler. Saying you got a shooting brake sounds kinda pretentions to me, lol. Hence...

rsyed

What makes the ST so special is that there is no car in this class that offers a wagon/shooting brake. No one should compare the Panamera with a 5 series, A6 or a E-Class. It is more on par with a S-Class, 7 Series, A8 and none of them offer such a body. so call it what you want, the car is pretty unique as we speak - unique with respect to body and performance, the latter not just limited to straight line speed but handling (find me another 2+ tonne car that handles with this much ease as the Panamera). Obviously it comes with a hefty price but then again what does not today :-)

K777

On UK's Top Gear programme at the weekend they had an ST Turbo v a Ferrari estate car ( station wagon).

The Panamera was brilliant, ( spoilt a bit by the **** driving it trying to be funny), the Ferrari was great obviously as it was a V12 version and GBP300k , but none the less, the Panamera really proved its the best estate/station wagon.

rsyed

2 door vs 4 door.... and i love to complain how small the boot is on the panamera but have you seen teh boot of the Ferrari? a Smart has more space :-)

K777

Yeah its nuts, but "nice leather"

pokingaround

The ST truly is in a class by itself in many ways.