CincyScott

I have a 2013 Audi S7. It's tuned, lowered, has low miles and is nice to drive. I enjoy the car, but don't looove it. I drove a friend's 2012 Panamera Turbo. His car is loaded, PCCB, PDCC, sport exhaust, active sport seats, 20" wheels, Burmester, etc. Just the handling alone on that car was enough to sway me. His car has 80k miles on it.

Here's my dilemma: I can buy his car from him for $40k. I work from home so I don't put much mileage on anything, maybe 5k a year. Something tells me though that I should buy a Turbo S instead. Yes, I realize the money difference, but I'd like to find a 14-15 Turbo S as well.

What I'm finding is that most Turbo S with relatively low miles (sub 30k) are in the $100k range. I would think in a couple years, they will take a massive depreciation hit (maybe 30k?), which makes me think that's foolish. Any thoughts from the RL community?

dwwalker14335

As a question, would you ever tune the 2012 Turbo if you purchased? If so, that would have equivalent performance. If you want to keep it stock for longevity purposes, then the Turbo S would definitely feel a bit more capable. I went the latter route and selected a Turbo S which was also well optioned.

CincyScott

c4racer

Very limited supply so it would come down to what you can find in the color combo you like.

armanslr

CincyScott

NJS_04_996

Well that does go along nicely with the roughly 10% more hp the turbo S would have over the regular turbo. Looking from my V6 perspective, I would be happy with any of the GTS, Turbo and Turbo S cars as they can be outfitted to handle identically, and the hp differences would only really be apparent on the track. So then color, options, mileage and price would be my main buying criteria between any of the V8s. I really wouldn't worry about resale too much, hoping I would keep it for many years, and yes- its a Porsche - even in resale they never come cheap!

amelen

I'm about to go from a 2016 S6 to a Panamera 4S. You sure you need a Turbo? The 4S, with the right packages, really shines in terms of the feel of a sports car. Against my best judgement, I decided that there wasn't enough of a reason to jump to the Turbo for me. Might be worth test driving a 2017+ 4S. You'll also still have plenty of warranty left on it at that point.

CincyScott

Does anyone really "need" a Turbo? I generally buy used, and am usually looking for something that will hold its value relatively well. It's been my experience that well cared for Turbos of any ilk with Porsche are the better buy long term. However, I admit to liking the body better on the 971's, but it's the same engine I have in an S7 more or less now.

amelen

Engine vs. Engine, on-paper, the 4S performs the same as the S7 engine you have. The Turbo would be a couple of levels above that. For me, I love the 4.0T in the Audi, but the Porsche Panamera just handles and feels a lot better, even with the 2.9T.


C/D TEST RESULTS 2017 Panamera 4S 2.9T::
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 1.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.1 sec @ 114 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 179 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 151 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.03 g

C/D TEST RESULTS FOR 2016 S6 4.0T
Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 17.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 162 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Curb weight: 4389 lb
C/D observed fuel economy: 17 mpg

c4racer

And the GTS is 4.0 0-60 and 1/4mi in 12.7 so right in the same ballpark as the S6 and 4S too.

Eclipser

Comes down to feel. The GTS is retaining a higher value than the higher HP Panamera Turbo because it just doesn't feel as good to drive. Difference between an NA V8 and the V6 is rather staggering, all the way down to the exhaust note. I ended up going with the GTS over the Turbo. The Gen 2's also have some noticeable turbo lag.

c4racer

I would get the GTS for sure. But I'm a NA V8 guy.

CincyScott

Yep definitely understand the allure of the GTS. I am a big fan of forced induction, so that's always my preference. I will drive one to see how I feel about it though (assuming I can find one)

c4racer

Religious argument for sure. I've tried a few. Not my thing. I raced NA V8 rwd cars for many years so that's the camp I fall into !