How the Panamera and Cayenne compare to the 911 in corners
07-12-2018, 03:05 PM
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c4 - I'm with you there. I still love driving manual cars. I'd be find driving one of the last 911 turbo with that option..... If I would have ended up in a hellcat or ZL1 I would have elected to get a manual, even if they are technically slower on paper. Its just too much fun! The same would go for purchasing a corvette, if I ever get that inkling again. The Jeep SRT for example would be sooooooo fun with a 6 speed manual... I mean damn.
Both the new Camaro, and Mustang are not slouches from a handling standpoint, and they have proper independent systems now rather than an old school live axel or whatever they call it. Then the Cobras got the upgrade, and now I think the whole line has independent rear. It makes a huge different in daily driving.
The Panamera is many times more stable than any M5, Audi, or Benz class that I have ever driven, though I haven't driven the newest models of those cars. My guess is maybe they have closed the gap or maybe on par at best to the full on Panamera Turbo S. I can only imagine that the newer 2017+ Panamera models are that much more surgical too.
There is something about having a useful sedan and all that comfort, while still having all of the fun of a pony / muscle car, which is where the draw is for me.
Both the new Camaro, and Mustang are not slouches from a handling standpoint, and they have proper independent systems now rather than an old school live axel or whatever they call it. Then the Cobras got the upgrade, and now I think the whole line has independent rear. It makes a huge different in daily driving.
The Panamera is many times more stable than any M5, Audi, or Benz class that I have ever driven, though I haven't driven the newest models of those cars. My guess is maybe they have closed the gap or maybe on par at best to the full on Panamera Turbo S. I can only imagine that the newer 2017+ Panamera models are that much more surgical too.
There is something about having a useful sedan and all that comfort, while still having all of the fun of a pony / muscle car, which is where the draw is for me.
07-12-2018, 03:17 PM
#17
I had the rare opportunity to have a nice late night drive earlier this week and was in the Pano S. It's such a treat to drive when I'm alone in the car and the roads are pretty empty. I was cranking the hell out of the entire Moving Pictures album and driving in sport plus mode and often in pdk manual mode. The car is just so telepathic - an amazing drivers car and such a joy to drive on some backroads without other cars around. If I had to give up one car it would have to be the Camaro - but I love having both fine cars to switch between!
07-12-2018, 03:35 PM
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I think the key here is:
A sedan or SUV is never going to handle like a smaller light weight sports car like a 911.
But.....for most of your driving, an extreme sports tuned SUV or sedan in Porsche Turbo S trim is going to feel pretty capable for any driving you're actually going to be doing. In the Panamera even more so. The key here being, on normal roads you can never really take advantage of what a 911 can give you over a Panamera, at least that's what I tell myself! Well other than the fact that in some trim the 911 is going to out accelerate any Panamera.... That's not to say the 911 isn't as good, or won't even corner better on the street, it will. I'm just stating that for the typical driver, with typical driving skills, on typical crappy streets, the Panamera is going to navigate through it pretty convincingly because that's what its designed to do! All that with room for passengers and all their crap! You can even make a significant trip to Home Depot, and then beat up on some unsuspecting sports cars on the way home if you want to! Its also not going to feel as if its falling apart, and loosing its traction over bumps......
A sedan or SUV is never going to handle like a smaller light weight sports car like a 911.
But.....for most of your driving, an extreme sports tuned SUV or sedan in Porsche Turbo S trim is going to feel pretty capable for any driving you're actually going to be doing. In the Panamera even more so. The key here being, on normal roads you can never really take advantage of what a 911 can give you over a Panamera, at least that's what I tell myself! Well other than the fact that in some trim the 911 is going to out accelerate any Panamera.... That's not to say the 911 isn't as good, or won't even corner better on the street, it will. I'm just stating that for the typical driver, with typical driving skills, on typical crappy streets, the Panamera is going to navigate through it pretty convincingly because that's what its designed to do! All that with room for passengers and all their crap! You can even make a significant trip to Home Depot, and then beat up on some unsuspecting sports cars on the way home if you want to! Its also not going to feel as if its falling apart, and loosing its traction over bumps......
07-12-2018, 04:36 PM
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I think 4WD really helps, especially in the higher powered models. We had a '12 base that was recently totaled, the new GTS grips way better even with much more power.
07-13-2018, 10:13 AM
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Thanks guys. Really just looking for info on the performance options on the panamera and cayenne and how they effect the ride. Any other thoughts from anyone? Would love to hear from someone with rear wheel steer and pasm. Thanks
07-18-2018, 02:58 PM
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Size and weight of the cars is going to be your biggest difference. The Panamera is going to handle way better than anything youre going to drive, short of a small, 2 door, high performance sports car. Its going to handle and feel better than some of the less expensive, mid level 2 door sports cars as well, and certainly better than most mustang, Camaro, SRT cars. Certainly track oriented configurations like the Shelby 350, and ZL1 are going to be better track cars on paper, but I would wager with some proper driving, if you wanted to, you could keep up pretty well in a Panamera! The Cayenne is more luxury to me, than the performance versions of SUV like the X6 M, X5 M, and Jeep SRT Trackhawk, however, it should perform right there with them. On the street a Cayenne is going to feel plenty sporty against typical cars of any variety.
07-20-2018, 10:33 AM
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A loaded 4S with all the active handling options will come close in price to a base turbo(missing RWS and sport crono), but it seems like you'll appreciate the handling improvements more than the additional HP