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ajriches01 08-22-2017 02:34 PM

2017 Panamera Road Trip
 
Halfway through a road trip through the Champagne region of France, Switzerland, Italian lakes then on to Germany and Belgium.

Very comfortable on the motorways, rapid as anything but kept the Abarth in the rear view mirror up the mountain roads. It'll never be a 911 but you can't have your back massaged in a 911 while carrying 3 people!

Downside.... Channel Tunnel killed the alloys...
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SaratogaLefty 08-22-2017 03:31 PM

Sorry to hear about your damaged wheels but it looks like you are having the trip of a lifetime!! Keep those photos coming please.

thorfun 08-23-2017 05:47 AM

nice trip and lovely roads!

the channel tunnel had me on tenderhooks driving in that rut. i was literally cr*ping myself.

enjoy your holiday.

hymo1200 08-23-2017 07:07 AM

really looks like a great trip and lots of fun!


don´t worry too much about the wheels, these can be fixed easily - could have been worse!

NorthernMonkey 08-23-2017 08:35 AM

sounds like an awesome trip!!!

no comfort now i know but the top tip for the tunnel is book yourself onto the carriages for "high" or basically commercial vehicles as the carriage is much wider, no alloys issue. i've watched a number of videos from the youTube fraternity who use the chunnel a lot and they all do this to get the width needed for their various wide supercars.

thorfun 08-23-2017 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by NorthernMonkey (Post 14424063)
sounds like an awesome trip!!!

no comfort now i know but the top tip for the tunnel is book yourself onto the carriages for "high" or basically commercial vehicles as the carriage is much wider, no alloys issue. i've watched a number of videos from the youTube fraternity who use the chunnel a lot and they all do this to get the width needed for their various wide supercars.

top tip! nice one.

ajriches01 08-26-2017 03:08 PM

Great advice on the tunnel, shall definitely be doing that next time!
​​​​​​Some more pics from today's drive to Germany. Only about 5km of unrestricted but managed 130 easily, shocking how often Citroën C3 etc just pull out, which really gets the adrenaline flowing!

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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a175fec0fd.jpgRubbish shot of the lake at Lucerne
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...b42d8d3c8b.jpgCharging the battery on the downhill.
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Coming down the mountain with regeneration really is fun, all those other saps burning away their pads whilst the ehybrid is adding free kms. Smart.

thorfun 08-26-2017 03:12 PM

:thumbup:

ajriches01 09-04-2017 04:25 AM

Black forest to Bruges. Black forest has the best driving roads I've seen.
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Yoeris 09-04-2017 07:53 AM

Great to know :D

Fred2 09-04-2017 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by ajriches01 (Post 14421457)

Downside.... Channel Tunnel killed the alloys...

How does a tunnel kill wheels?

ajriches01 09-05-2017 04:34 AM

It's the car train that runs between the UK and France - it has very narrow lanes (look at the pic).

hymo1200 09-05-2017 04:38 AM

stunning pictures, AJ!


looks like you really had a good trip!


did you pass by also in Austria or only Germany/Switzerland?


I also plan to do a roadtrip through the mountains being able to really enjoy the car ;-)

ajriches01 09-05-2017 04:46 AM

France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Luxembourg (haha), Belgium and France.

3 Adults + a 1 year old - in relatively high comfort - with those in the back enjoying the entertainment system which streams very nicely from the on board Wifi. For those in the UK - pay the money and get FlexiPlus in the tunnel (they physically walk you past the long immigration queues) and get a Sanef tag for the French tolls - you slow down to about 50kph then punch straight through the toll gates.

MaxLTV 09-07-2017 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by ajriches01 (Post 14421457)
Halfway through a road trip through the Champagne region of France, Switzerland, Italian lakes then on to Germany and Belgium.

Very comfortable on the motorways, rapid as anything but kept the Abarth in the rear view mirror up the mountain roads. It'll never be a 911 but you can't have your back massaged in a 911 while carrying 3 people!

Downside.... Channel Tunnel killed the alloys...

That tunnel train design is idiotic - I (gently) scraped 3 wheels in that tunnel on my brand new 911 Turbo S during Euro delivery this summer. There are basically sharp metal rails on both sides, and for tires of taller profiles the wheel isw above the sharp edge, so no curbing happens. Low profile tires curb in an instant.

ajriches01 09-07-2017 05:00 AM

Why they didn't just cover the sharp edges in hard rubber/plastic...?!

XT6Wagon 09-07-2017 07:57 PM

I wish car makers would make wheel designs that don't stick out. With proper design + the rim protection that newer tire designs this wouldn't happen.

I've clipped a curb at speed with my GT350 and the rim protector on the Super Sports kept the wheel scrape free.

Edit: The reason they don't put stuff on the train cars is extra weight, cost, and it will be damaged with ease by heavy vehicles. You might be able to get around the wear issue if you make it super thick without the metal bars.

SaratogaLefty 09-11-2017 02:53 PM

Question For AJ
 
Coming down the mountain with regeneration really is fun, all those other saps burning away their pads whilst the ehybrid is adding free kms. Smart.[/QUOTE]

AJ,
So with my gas only Lexus LS I downshifted when heading down steep hills to let the transmission slow the car rather than burning up my brakes. I'm wondering with the regenerative braking/charging, do you still downshift? If so, does downshifting further provide more/faster charging?

thorfun 09-12-2017 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by SaratogaLefty (Post 14468649)
So with my gas only Lexus LS I downshifted when heading down steep hills to let the transmission slow the car rather than burning up my brakes. I'm wondering with the regenerative braking/charging, do you still downshift? If so, does downshifting further provide more/faster charging?

if you downshift while the petrol engine is off then the petrol engine starts up again. the electric motor, even though you can feel the gearbox change gears when using it, doesn't seem to allow you to manipulate the gears when using it on it's own. so downshifting when going downhill will not give more charging but will simply turn on the petrol engine.

But, there are leds on the dash to show the amount of charging happening and when you press the brake pedal the amount of charging goes up. i am not sure at what point the actual brakes are applied when pressing the pedal or if a gentle press just increases the engine braking until the actual discs are required to be used. it's probably controlled in the software somewhere. if anyone finds out i'd be interested to know!

ajriches01 09-12-2017 09:59 AM

As Thor says - as soon as you are in manual mode then the petrol takes over.

I don't think there is much engine braking in the normal sense, my understanding is like a dynamo on a bike - pressure on the wheel = power. WAY too simplistic I'm sure!

SaratogaLefty 09-12-2017 12:49 PM

So if I understand correctly, when going down a steep hill, the best option is to leave the transmission alone and just press slightly on the brake pedal and then the car will get maximum recharging, correct? If I press harder on the brake pedal to actually slow the car down more, does that also increase the charging? If I just coast without touching the brake pedal, does it still charge"?

ajriches01 09-12-2017 12:52 PM

Exactly, there is a visual LED display showing the level of charging at any time. Unlike the Cayenne which I had as a loaner, the charging continues and increases under much harder braking.

thorfun 09-12-2017 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by ajriches01 (Post 14470671)
Exactly, there is a visual LED display showing the level of charging at any time. Unlike the Cayenne which I had as a loaner, the charging continues and increases under much harder braking.

the scientist in me wants to know if you get more charge by hard braking in a short period of time rather than gentle braking over a distance. e.g. gentle braking for 200yds or slamming on the brakes for 20yds! :evilgrin:

SaratogaLefty 09-12-2017 01:22 PM

I assume there is a maximum amount of charging that can take place at any given time? So if the LED indicator moves to "full charging" indication, then most likely that is all you can get??

thorfun 09-12-2017 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by SaratogaLefty (Post 14470740)
I assume there is a maximum amount of charging that can take place at any given time? So if the LED indicator moves to "full charging" indication, then most likely that is all you can get??

Yes, for sure. But will a short distance at maximum charging lead to more charge overall against a longer distance at a gentle charge?


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