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#3
Doesn't look particularly nimble at all. Looked like a heavy ponderous car.
#4
Race Car
Thread Starter
No doubt, but then again it was never intended to be. This is a 4 door sports sedan intended to pull market share away from the (heavier) Tesla Model S. I imagine very few owners will be taking these to track days.
#5
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Really no way for an electric car not to be heavy.
I love the 0-60 of Tesla, but they handle like a pig.
I expect the mission E to handle better than the Tesla, but we aren’t going to see 911 handling from the E, just much better handling than any other electric car on the market.
I love the 0-60 of Tesla, but they handle like a pig.
I expect the mission E to handle better than the Tesla, but we aren’t going to see 911 handling from the E, just much better handling than any other electric car on the market.
#7
Really no way for an electric car not to be heavy.
I love the 0-60 of Tesla, but they handle like a pig.
I expect the mission E to handle better than the Tesla, but we aren’t going to see 911 handling from the E, just much better handling than any other electric car on the market.
I love the 0-60 of Tesla, but they handle like a pig.
I expect the mission E to handle better than the Tesla, but we aren’t going to see 911 handling from the E, just much better handling than any other electric car on the market.
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#8
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if Porsche can get it to run "flat out" for the entire lap at the run that would be a major accomplishment in battery thermals - right now the Tesla can't complete a full lap of the ring at maximum power due to battery conditioning limits causing limited power - I can only get 3/4 of a lap in my Model S at thunderhill before I get throttle limits due to the battery management…now Tesla is very conservative with their battery thermals because they offer an 8 year/unlimimted mile no-conditions warranty - so I'm gonna guess they are very conservative with their thermal envelope for battery longevity.
I love my model S and wouldn't have anything else as a daily driver - but it's an awful track car and completely unsuitable for that type of application (weight and battery thermal limits)...
Porsche could advance the state of the art by simply making a really good EV that doesn't limit itself after few minutes of really heavy usage…this would be more impressive to me than their claim of 15 min. recharge - because in all honesty there will only be like 3 places in the world that will ever have those chargers…and it will only be for the first 50% of the battery charge cycle.
but an EV that can run full title basically indefinitely (until the battery is at zero % charge) would definitely one-up Tesla - and if they bring their better interior and build quality to the table, some beefy brakes, and better handling that will be all it takes for them to have a great product in this segment - and then they can build from there as their 1.0.
I love my model S and wouldn't have anything else as a daily driver - but it's an awful track car and completely unsuitable for that type of application (weight and battery thermal limits)...
Porsche could advance the state of the art by simply making a really good EV that doesn't limit itself after few minutes of really heavy usage…this would be more impressive to me than their claim of 15 min. recharge - because in all honesty there will only be like 3 places in the world that will ever have those chargers…and it will only be for the first 50% of the battery charge cycle.
but an EV that can run full title basically indefinitely (until the battery is at zero % charge) would definitely one-up Tesla - and if they bring their better interior and build quality to the table, some beefy brakes, and better handling that will be all it takes for them to have a great product in this segment - and then they can build from there as their 1.0.
#9
Porsche can do some simple things Tesla isn't shooting for, like cooling. What Tesla's done with weight is more impressive, lately. Model 3 drops almost 1,000lbs from Model S, and is about 300 more than a 911T in 80KWh trim (~3,800lb). That should make it last longer on a track, in theory.
Porsche's use of 800v and what some expect will be LiPo batteries will also separate them from Tesla. If they go LiPo, instead of Li-ion (or Tesla's brew), I believe that means higher maximum instantaneous power density, but at the expense of higher weight (lower net energy density). LiPo also charges faster, meaning that unlike a Model S having to turn off its (max ~60KW) kinetic regeneration at the track, Mission E may be able to soak up 70, 100, or 150KW(?) under braking. For reference, MT says P100D's 500+KW 0-60 time equals its 60-0 stop time. So, I assume the bleeding edge of regen on a ~4,500lb passenger car would be some day absorbing that same ~500+KW (if ever they design a system than can handle it). The more the regen braking can handle, the less battery weight needs to be carried around. Good cycle.
Regardless, if 80-90KWh is the target, it may be more than the car needs for track and it will probably still suffer for it. I don't think anyone worth their salt is saying lithium batteries first, best use, is track cars.