Needsdecaf

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2019...ife-18440.html

To me, for an EV, this is the least informative of their three latest tests. Without consumption data, it means little.

Which gets me thinking. So Porsche did their 24 hour test at Nardo in a preproduction car. Wonder if they “relaxed” the charging taper at all knowing it wasn’t a customer car. Hmmm.

Im not thinking they did. But you have to wonder.

New Porsche Taycan sets a record at the Nürburgring-Nordschleife

08/26/2019Porsche sets new standards for four-door, all-electric sports cars on the Nürburgring-Nordschleife. Consequently, test driver Lars Kern conquered the legendary track, famously known as the Green Hell, in seven minutes and 42 seconds. The lap time was set over the 20.6-kilometre course that’s usually used for record attempts. During the attempt, Lars Kern drove a pre-series Taycan.

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“The Taycan is also suitable for race tracks and it convincingly proved that here on the world’s most challenging circuit,” Kern explains. “Again and again, I am impressed at how stable the all-electric sports car handles in high-speed sections, such as Kesselchen, and how neutrally it accelerates from tight sections, such as Adenauer Forst.”

Stefan Weckbach, Vice President Product Line Taycan, and test driver Lars Kern

“The Taycan mastered its Triple Endurance Run superbly. First, our electric sports car demonstrated the reproducibility of its performance as part of a strenuous test involving 26 successive acceleration runs from zero to 200 km/h. Then it completed 3,425 kilometres within 24 hours in Nardò without any issues and now the record at the Nürburgring-Nordschleife,” remarks Stefan Weckbach, Vice President Product Line Taycan. “Numerous factors contribute to this performance and the efficiency of the powertrain, also at high speeds. These include the chassis systems that react within a fraction of a second as well as the outstanding aerodynamics.”

Development engineers started driving a Taycan around the Nürburgring-Nordschleife at an early development stage in a simulator, so that they could test and evaluate its performance on a virtual race track. In this process, one of the main goals was determining electric energy with thermal management, which form an important contribution to achieving the lap time.

Previously: 24-hour endurance run and a series of accelerations

Taycan prototype convinces at endurance run in Nardò

In 24 hours a pre-production Taycan covered a distance of exactly 3,425 kilometres right before the world premiere on September 4 as part of a test at the Nardò high-speed track in Italy.

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The Taycan can do both, race track and endurance run: in 24 hours Porsche covered a distance of exactly 3,425 kilometres in a prototypeas part of a test at the Nardò (Italy) high-speed track. This roughly equates to the distance from Nardò to Trondheim in Norway. In sizzling temperatures at the southern Italian test track, the speed was between 195 and 215 km/h. In peak outside temperatures of 42 degrees Celsius and a track temperature of up to 54 degrees Celsius, the Taycan prototype proved its long-distance qualities even before the series production launch. The test was completed without interruptions, as the prototype merely had to pause for quick charging stops and driver changes.

And at the end of July a pre-series vehicle accelerated from zero to 200 km/h no less than 26 successive times down an airport runway. The average acceleration figure from the timed runs was under ten seconds. The difference between the fastest and slowest acceleration runs was 0.8 seconds.

The new Taycan: the first all-electric sports car from Porsche

A whole range of technical features guarantees an impressive race track performance of the Taycan:

• The Taycan has two exceptionally efficient electric motors on the front and rear axles and therefore features all-wheel drive. The all-wheel drive and traction control systems operate significantly faster than conventional systems. For example, if one wheel has more slip, the electric motors regulate it within a fraction of a second.
• The integrated Porsche 4D-Chassis Control analyses and synchronises all chassis systems in real time. The innovative chassis systems include adaptive air suspension with three-chamber technology including electronic damper control PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management), as well as the Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (PDCC Sport) electromechanical roll stabilisation system, including Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV Plus). The record-breaking car also featured rear-axle steering and 21-inch tyres.
• The Taycan is the first production vehicle with a system voltage of 800 volts rather than the normal 400 volts for electric cars. The benefits include high levels of consistent performance.
• The driving modes profile of the new Taycan offers special settings to make full use of the all-electric drive’s properties. In “Sport Plus” mode, driver requests are implemented in an extremely dynamic way. As a result, the battery’s cooling and heating strategy has been designed for maximum performance. At the same time, the cooling air flaps are opened, the rear spoiler is extended early on for minimal lift, while the chassis set-up becomes optimised for maximum race track performance, and the suspension permanently set in the lowest position.

ToasterThief

Not super impressive, as it's essentially identical to a Civic (albeit the fastest one). I guess we'll see how the entire package is.

manitou202

That's 981 GT4 time. But slower than a Panamera turbo (7:38).

I wonder how much the top speed limits the time.

Honestly I want to see a time from Laguna Seca (for Model 3 performance comparison) and some other well know tracks that are smaller and don't have long straights. If it can't crush a Model 3 performance at Laguna then we've got a problem.

manitou202

From the video the Taycan hits 259km/h (160mph) on the long straight. Looked up the GT3 for comparison and it hits 285km/h (176mph).

daveo4porsche

Porsche is beating the "performance" drum - not on outright performance (0-60) or impressive top speeds, but in consistent/reliable performance…so with the Taycan you'll be not be the quickest, you won't be able to drive the longest distance, but you'll be able to count on the car's behavior at the published "top" performance numbers…

to my knowledge the Model S still can NOT run the ring "flat out"…so kudos to Porsche for meeting this "endurance" benchmark - it's "in the mix" for a 2,000 kg 4 door sedan…

I'm guessing Porsche has learned a whole bunch from this experience (i.e. EV's are harder than they look) and they've clearly pushed the state of the art forward focusing on consistency and predictable performance. For me the Taycan is quickly coming into to focus a a great 1st effort but not fully matching the upstart building cars in a tent…

but we all know the .2 from Porsche is always better and they are relentless at incremental improvements (60 years of 911's anyone?)…

it will be illuminating to see what Porsche/Audi take away from this experience and what their subsequent efforts will yield.

the Taycan is going to be a great car, a acceptable EV, and not a price leader, and it's performance in certain dimension is/will be impressive.

I find it curious they are hedging their bets (4 launches from 0-200 kph - really _ONLY_ 4) - I'm betting Tesla could tweak their battery software to match that.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...-bmw-m2-video/

the Model 3 has done the ring with no/limited battery throttling but is slower than our anticipated Taycan numbers…so again Kudo's to Porsche they have the superior "performance" for 2x the cost _IF_ you need an EV you can track. Although the Model 3 does pretty well. I can't wait to see the Taycan at Laguna or Sonoma…

I'm still on the fence as to if I'm going to pull the trigger on my deposit. If hte price points are accurate, the Turbo @ $150k + is roughly a Model S P100DL and a Model 3 cost wise - the 4S might be the sweet spot…but I'll have to see how much they neuter the 4S in the performance category. I don't see myself spending 150K+ to get less range a better interior.

destaccado

Sad that vegan Tesla is doing better in a tent isn't it? Taycan is setting up to disappoint.

I don't think Tesla ever took their car to the ring or set it up for that. I'm curious what it could run with a similar driver on similar tires with a brake upgrade and a few software tweaks. I'm guessing it would be close or the Tesla might even win.

9914s

The big difference it’s that Tesla is building appliances and Porsche it’s trying to build cars.

Cloudplay

Short of completely rebuilding the car, there is nothing one could do to a Model S to get in the same universe (from the current 9min+ to prevent limp mode). Reg. the Model 3P - the Nuerburgring is a high speed track. M3P 0-200km/h is about 15s, compared to less than 10s for the Taycan, i.e. the Taycan is ~7s 100-200km/h vs ~11.5s in the M3P. You might want to reconsider your guess.

Needsdecaf

You have clearly never driven a Dual Motor Model 3. Tesla's, and Model 3's have drawbacks for sure. They are not appliances in any way.

GrantG

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Pointbye

A shot in the dark here but I’m guessing it’s still faster than your car? The Honda I’m talking about.

ipse dixit

If that's true (i.e., Tesla is building appliances not cars) then it's even more sad that Porsche's car, a car for freaking sake, cannot outrun an appliance around one of the most famed endurance tracks in the world.

Let's step back from the 911 Kool-Aid bombs, and give credit where credit is due.

destaccado

Is there a M3P ring time somewhere?

Ccpecot

Just out of curiosity, I tried to find a 1:1 comparison that everyone is quoting. The 9 min time that’s being quoted was not the same circumstances as the Taycan. Porsche had the track to themselves, you can tell in the full video. This is a quote that I found regarding the Model 3 time: “...... but there was a lot of traffic and it is unclear if they were using Tesla’s Track Mode, which would be extremely useful on this track.”

I don’t have a stake either way, but if we want to compare cars, it should be similar scenarios?

Cloudplay

Fastest (and I use that term loosely) Tesla lap times around the Nuerburgring seem to be around ~9min, somewhere between a previous generation stock VW GTI and a VW Lupo GTI subcompact. If there's any faster verified time, why don't you enlighten us? As a hint, 7:42 is 1min 18s faster than that.