Notices
Macan 2014-Current

2017 Macan Turbo PP

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-25-2024, 11:33 PM
  #16  
Xattica
Intermediate
Thread Starter
 
Xattica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 40
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Looking more info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...petrol_engines

https://mymotorlist.com/engines/audi/ea837/

https://gtspirit.com/2014/02/26/2015-porsche-macan-s-vs-macan-diesel-vs-macan-turbo-review/


Known by the internal code M4630, the 3.0 litre V6 bi-turbo motor in the Macan S is a derivative of the M4660 motor first seen in the face-lifted Panamera last year, but with Macan-specific air-intake system and cylinder heads.

That said, for long-term reliability as well as product differentiation, Porsche decided that the Turbo model should start life with a bigger engine. As 3.6 litres is a familiar displacement in the Porsche 911 flat-six engine family, it is no coincidence that the Macan V6 Turbo motor should also share these iconic numbers. With its longer throw crank and connecting rods, the 3,604cc M4635 engine derivative has a bore and stroke of 96.0 x 83.0mm, and ends up with exactly 4.0 cc more than the iconic 3,600cc 911 flat-six.

Last edited by Xattica; 07-25-2024 at 11:36 PM.
Old 07-25-2024, 11:38 PM
  #17  
Faust T.
Instructor
 
Faust T.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 154
Received 57 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by chassis
EA837 in that article same as the ebay salvage engine photos above. We agree.

There is no resemblence between EA837 and EA839, except for 90-degree vee and 6 cylinders.

Neither the EA888 (4 cylinder) nor EA824 (V8) nor EA825 (V8). It's just a VAG naming convention.
the one in you picture and eBay listing is a M4630,
Macan use M4630 and M4635 from 2014-2018, then switched to EA839 from 2019 onward.
Old 07-26-2024, 01:51 AM
  #18  
///Bruce
Pro
 
///Bruce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 619
Received 146 Likes on 114 Posts
Default

What about the '18 model Turbo? I had heard that this was the last year(?) that Porsche used a Porsche engine? After that, they switched to all Audi blocks? Education needed please.
Old 07-26-2024, 07:48 AM
  #19  
chassis
Rennlist Member
 
chassis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: linker Fahrbahn
Posts: 4,239
Received 1,462 Likes on 1,067 Posts
Default

VAG = Volkswagen = Audi = Porsche

Labels are meaningless, it’s marketing.

The engineers sit near each other and use the same design manuals. One engine gets more goodies and spicier tuning than others and carries a higher internal manufacturing cost and is installed in a vehicle with a higher selling price.

Last edited by chassis; 07-26-2024 at 08:26 AM.
Old 07-26-2024, 08:34 AM
  #20  
chassis
Rennlist Member
 
chassis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: linker Fahrbahn
Posts: 4,239
Received 1,462 Likes on 1,067 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ///Bruce
What about the '18 model Turbo? I had heard that this was the last year(?) that Porsche used a Porsche engine? After that, they switched to all Audi blocks? Education needed please.
2018 Turbo = 3.6TT = EA837 = stay away
2020 Turbo = 2.9TT = EA839 = robust engine

All engines are Volkswagen AG.

Last edited by chassis; 07-26-2024 at 08:52 AM.
Old 07-26-2024, 09:03 AM
  #21  
Xattica
Intermediate
Thread Starter
 
Xattica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 40
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Yeah! All is VAG, but macan use M4635. At least this info is everywhere.
Old 07-26-2024, 09:24 AM
  #22  
///Bruce
Pro
 
///Bruce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 619
Received 146 Likes on 114 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by chassis
VAG = Volkswagen = Audi = Porsche

Labels are meaningless, it’s marketing.

The engineers sit near each other and use the same design manuals. One engine gets more goodies and spicier tuning than others and carries a higher internal manufacturing cost and is installed in a vehicle with a higher selling price.
ALPINA. AMG. POLESTAR.
Old 07-26-2024, 09:27 AM
  #23  
Xattica
Intermediate
Thread Starter
 
Xattica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 40
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Yeah! All is VAG, but macan use M4635. At least this info is everywhere.
Old 07-26-2024, 10:13 AM
  #24  
chassis
Rennlist Member
 
chassis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: linker Fahrbahn
Posts: 4,239
Received 1,462 Likes on 1,067 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Xattica
Yeah! All is VAG, but macan use M4635. At least this info is everywhere.
VAG document link please.
Old 07-26-2024, 12:15 PM
  #25  
Faust T.
Instructor
 
Faust T.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 154
Received 57 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ///Bruce
What about the '18 model Turbo? I had heard that this was the last year(?) that Porsche used a Porsche engine? After that, they switched to all Audi blocks? Education needed please.
That's true.
but honestly I would worry a lot more about the PDK than the engine, besides the TCC leak there really isn't any widespread failure of the M463X.
The following users liked this post:
///Bruce (07-27-2024)
Old 07-29-2024, 11:14 PM
  #26  
Draper
Rennlist Member
 
Draper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 241
Received 52 Likes on 35 Posts
Default

There's no EA837 in any Macan.



2015 Porsche Macan S vs S Diesel vs Macan Turbo Review
That said, for long-term reliability as well as product differentiation, Porsche decided that the Turbo model should start life with a bigger engine. As 3.6 litres is a familiar displacement in the Porsche 911 flat-six engine family, it is no coincidence that the Macan V6 Turbo motor should also share these iconic numbers.

With its longer throw crank and connecting rods, the 3,604cc M4635 engine derivative has a bore and stroke of 96.0 x 83.0mm, and ends up with exactly 4.0 cc more than the iconic 3,600cc 911 flat-six.
What's funny is if you Google 'EA837 Macan' nearly all of the results that come up are from this user spreading fud on forums like this.
The following users liked this post:
chassis (07-29-2024)
Old 07-29-2024, 11:27 PM
  #27  
chassis
Rennlist Member
 
chassis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: linker Fahrbahn
Posts: 4,239
Received 1,462 Likes on 1,067 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Draper
There's no EA837 in any Macan.



2015 Porsche Macan S vs S Diesel vs Macan Turbo Review


What's funny is if you Google 'EA837 Macan' nearly all of the results that come up are from this user spreading fud on forums like this.
Source of the table?
Old 07-30-2024, 01:50 AM
  #28  
TikiLou
Rennlist Member
 
TikiLou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 833
Received 379 Likes on 214 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Draper
.

Why is the last item in this table a Macan Turbo when the Turbo doesn't exist since the latest ICE refresh? And the numbers for the current GTS are not correct (they are essentially what the old Turbo was)
Old 07-30-2024, 12:04 PM
  #29  
Draper
Rennlist Member
 
Draper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 241
Received 52 Likes on 35 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by chassis
Source of the table?
https://eeuroparts.com/blog/mechanic...rmance-rivals/
Originally Posted by TikiLou
Why is the last item in this table a Macan Turbo when the Turbo doesn't exist since the latest ICE refresh? And the numbers for the current GTS are not correct (they are essentially what the old Turbo was)
There's a little bit of confusion with model years in this table, and it looks like they may be using UK style model years (IE purchase year and not design year). There technically was a 2021 Turbo (design model year) but of course the GTS became the top dog in 2022 and got Turbo level power (same engine, just different tuning).
The following users liked this post:
chassis (07-30-2024)
Old 07-30-2024, 06:30 PM
  #30  
///Bruce
Pro
 
///Bruce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 619
Received 146 Likes on 114 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Draper
There's no EA837 in any Macan.



2015 Porsche Macan S vs S Diesel vs Macan Turbo Review


What's funny is if you Google 'EA837 Macan' nearly all of the results that come up are from this user spreading fud on forums like this.
From Bimmerpost.com:

The EA839 is not the same in the Macan, it's in the S4, SQ5 etc and has ring failures it seems. I'm not sure if the forged bottom end in the 2.9L variant has these issues, but there are serious issues with the S4/SQ5 platform. I have a buddy who dropped cylinder 4 and 5 just recently. Tuned ones have a tendency to drop #6. Call any local audi shop and ask them what they think of the EA839.


Edit: Here's some info form 034;


Their tune in particular seems to pop #6.


Quick Reply: 2017 Macan Turbo PP



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:06 PM.