Porsche Is Having Second Thoughts About Replacing Its Hottest Seller With An EV
#16
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Per my SA, Porsche’s difficulty selling Taycans after meeting initial demand has them very worried about whether Porsche’s immense brand value will carry over to EVs. Thus far, Porsche’s existing customers are not only more attached to ICE but also more sensitive to the risk of rapid obsolescence than Tesla buyers. Tesla’s price cutting presents difficulty as well. VAG been trying to walk the EU conversion tightrope but now are vigorously pushing back.
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
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Per my SA, Porsche’s difficulty selling Taycans after meeting initial demand has them very worried about whether Porsche’s immense brand value will carry over to EVs. Thus far, Porsche’s existing customers are not only more attached to ICE but also more sensitive to the risk of rapid obsolescence than Tesla buyers. Tesla’s price cutting presents difficulty as well. VAG been trying to walk the EU conversion tightrope but now are vigorously pushing back.
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
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#18
Here's my experience recently.
I'm not anti EV at all, and seriously considered buying one this spring as my 2020 lease expired. I rented a Taycan CT in CA for a few days last year and it was great - even the lowly non-S was plenty fast and fun to zip around So Cal.
But not only were Taycan CT's almost impossible to find or order, getting a 4S easily pushed me to $140k.
Then factor in the charging infrastructure in the midwest is terrible, and in my situation I have a detached garage - estimate to put in two chargers was going to be $9k, + they'd rip of part of my back yard running conduit.
After 3 years of thinking about a 992, reality is my kids are now too big, and I wanted something fun, that drove like a Porsche, and could fit my family. (2-car garage for me, don't have that 6-car palace just yet!)
Got a Macan GTS a few months ago and love it.
Porsche would be crazy to kill the ICE Macan and try to go EV. No way they can compete with Model Y's for $60k.
I'm not anti EV at all, and seriously considered buying one this spring as my 2020 lease expired. I rented a Taycan CT in CA for a few days last year and it was great - even the lowly non-S was plenty fast and fun to zip around So Cal.
But not only were Taycan CT's almost impossible to find or order, getting a 4S easily pushed me to $140k.
Then factor in the charging infrastructure in the midwest is terrible, and in my situation I have a detached garage - estimate to put in two chargers was going to be $9k, + they'd rip of part of my back yard running conduit.
After 3 years of thinking about a 992, reality is my kids are now too big, and I wanted something fun, that drove like a Porsche, and could fit my family. (2-car garage for me, don't have that 6-car palace just yet!)
Got a Macan GTS a few months ago and love it.
Porsche would be crazy to kill the ICE Macan and try to go EV. No way they can compete with Model Y's for $60k.
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Here's my experience recently.
I'm not anti EV at all, and seriously considered buying one this spring as my 2020 lease expired. I rented a Taycan CT in CA for a few days last year and it was great - even the lowly non-S was plenty fast and fun to zip around So Cal.
But not only were Taycan CT's almost impossible to find or order, getting a 4S easily pushed me to $140k.
Then factor in the charging infrastructure in the midwest is terrible, and in my situation I have a detached garage - estimate to put in two chargers was going to be $9k, + they'd rip of part of my back yard running conduit.
After 3 years of thinking about a 992, reality is my kids are now too big, and I wanted something fun, that drove like a Porsche, and could fit my family. (2-car garage for me, don't have that 6-car palace just yet!)
Got a Macan GTS a few months ago and love it.
Porsche would be crazy to kill the ICE Macan and try to go EV. No way they can compete with Model Y's for $60k.
I'm not anti EV at all, and seriously considered buying one this spring as my 2020 lease expired. I rented a Taycan CT in CA for a few days last year and it was great - even the lowly non-S was plenty fast and fun to zip around So Cal.
But not only were Taycan CT's almost impossible to find or order, getting a 4S easily pushed me to $140k.
Then factor in the charging infrastructure in the midwest is terrible, and in my situation I have a detached garage - estimate to put in two chargers was going to be $9k, + they'd rip of part of my back yard running conduit.
After 3 years of thinking about a 992, reality is my kids are now too big, and I wanted something fun, that drove like a Porsche, and could fit my family. (2-car garage for me, don't have that 6-car palace just yet!)
Got a Macan GTS a few months ago and love it.
Porsche would be crazy to kill the ICE Macan and try to go EV. No way they can compete with Model Y's for $60k.
#21
I can't believe Mercedes came up with the EQE/EQS - those cars are disasters.
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#22
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hybrids are the worst of BOTh worlds. Poor EV performance, complication of gas+electric. Pick one. Or make both. No hybrids. Unless they put the 918 power plant in it.
Lot of FUD in this thread though.... but it's probably still too soon to do away with all gas as an option for the macan.
Lot of FUD in this thread though.... but it's probably still too soon to do away with all gas as an option for the macan.
Immediately behind the rear seat back, many hybrid SUVs have quite a large bump for the battery. Big waste of space in a car whose major use case is to haul stuff in the back, and sometimes with the seats folded down.
#23
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I had a natural gas powered whole home generator installed as we have regular electric outages. Thanks PG%E. Charging at home at night is not an option.
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I hope all the politicians forcing voters into all-electric setups have those themselves, and then suffer long power outages during the hot summer or cold winter.
#26
I was always under the impression that the EV version would just be first introduced in the open Turbo price slot with a starting price of around $90K while the base and S soldier on with versions of the corporate Audi I4 and V6 respectively until at least the EU moratorium forces the issue or when Audi stops supplying the 2.9 V6 at which point it will trickle lower horsepower EV variants into GTS and S trims.
#27
Porsche CEO walked off the job recently?
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#28
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Yes, there is a thread on this. No reason given (yet). Blume must not have liked him.
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Per my SA, Porsche’s difficulty selling Taycans after meeting initial demand has them very worried about whether Porsche’s immense brand value will carry over to EVs. Thus far, Porsche’s existing customers are not only more attached to ICE but also more sensitive to the risk of rapid obsolescence than Tesla buyers. Tesla’s price cutting presents difficulty as well. VAG been trying to walk the EU conversion tightrope but now are vigorously pushing back.
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
Governments can try to impose a systemic conversion but if it isn’t supported by adoption it won’t succeed. BTW, how’s the US metric conversion going? The deadline for that is coming right up (1996).
Idk what this portends but I cant see so many porsche buyers, a lot of whom I would consider to be more enthusiastic about cars than your average GM/Tesla buyer, going all in on EV's. At least not enough to maintain a model line. The 718 is probably as good as dead after two model years as an EV (pessimistic I know).