Awas

Are you one of them?

daveo4porsche

not according to Track Your Dream Porsche's owner's portal website

911dude41

Waiting for all the guinea pigs first.

beye

I was a guinea pig with my TMS (as all tesla’s owners past, present and future), I will be a guinea pig with the Macan EV ; I don’t see the point.
Delivery in october (2024), freeze point end of may.

ipse dixit

Define "orders"

beye

Look at the “Porsche AG 2023 earning results” event in order to have a first hand pov.
Porsche CEO Oliver Blume boasted, “We already have 10,000 orders, and these customers haven’t even been able to drive the car yet.”

TXshaggy

https://insideevs.com/news/712077/po...ders-2024/amp/

I suspect some are Demand Orders…

ipse dixit

Exactly, these "orders" are not real orders.

This was a very carefully worded statement that, no doubt, the lawyers scrubbed back and forth 10x over.

beye

Why that? 10k orders is very impressive (impossible?) but to me “order” is “order”, it’s not a specific wording as “reservation”, “waiting list” or by the way “demand order”.
You must go to the porsche dealership, sit down, have a discussion and pay thousands of euros before you can place an order.
It’s different from Tesla, Rivian etc where you can put a reservation in a matter of clics (very practical btw). The real order comes later.

ipse dixit

I am not sure what region you are in (as your profile does not say), but at least in the U.S., I can walk into any Porsche dealer and put down an "order" for a Macan with no deposit. It's then entered into the Porsche system as a "demand order".

No money has been exchanged, no contract has been finalized (as if it would matter even if there was a binding contract b/c it wouldn't), and the customer (me) can back out at any time before taking delivery.

A demand order is just the dealer telling Porsche they have a customer who wants to order a car. It does not increase allocations. It does not guarantee an allocation.

So how much is that "order" worth?

About as much as yesterday's newspaper, if that.

In other words, the 10,000 "orders" that Blume refers to are cars (or, in this case, SUVs) that Porsche would have built anyways, even if there were no "orders".

beye

Many thanks for the details.
As my poor english suggests, I’m in France. Here, an order is a contract, a deposit, an allocation, a freeze point. I’m not familiar with porsche dealerships (my first pristine new porsche!)
Maybe for well known customers, it’s possible in France to also have a demand order ; I do not know. So I paid, I signed. rendez-vous in october.

For my information, with this demand order, are you sure to “secure” a place in a list, and when do you need to make the decision (ie: deposit+contract)?

sparkhill

Mine is a demand order, with a deposit. I do not think my tiny local dealer has even received one Macan EV Turbo allocation yet. I doubt these EV's are going to be like GT cars, so I'm just going to wait until l get an allocation or find something else I want more.

jww

Exactly the kind of order my dealer wanted to do with me here in Denver.

beye

So a demand order is only relevant when the dealership has no remaining allocation?
Is there any reason to propose demand order instead of (normal) order?

sparkhill

A demand order (V070) is simply a dealer request for an allocation. A confirmed order is linked to an allocation (V200, or higher) and comes with a commission number. It’s a little more complicated, but those are the basics.