Macan EV: Test Drive
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For all the impressometer guys (and Porsche sales staff right?) out there, here is the real range (spoiler alert) 276miles
yes sales correct, 276 miles,
because i wouldn't buy a Porsche to be driven like a Prius
yes sales correct, 276 miles,
because i wouldn't buy a Porsche to be driven like a Prius
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WasabiPeas (04-24-2024)
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It would take an EV with double the range of whatever the Macan EV manages for me to take notice. Which, btw, would still leave it short of what my ICE Macan can achieve under optimal circumstances.
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Thomas of Auitogefühl driving a turbo with 22” in a very spirited way got 500 kilometers of 311 miles. Driving as most of us on a daily basis without Thomas’ acceleration bursts, and even launch control, would have easily gotten 325 miles with the 22” turbo.
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Look to Carwow for an honest review
rest is damn marketing
276 considering the car weight and "not too new" battery technology, is reasonable
Problem is how this Iphonization of Porsche will make sense considering the fast tech evolution?
You pay 150k a car worth less than 50% every 15 months ? 6k burn
per month assuming you find a buyer.... will push Porsche cars flooding the used market at non premium price ?
If your worker can buy and drive your relatively young Porsche for half price in short time , will you next time still accept to pay the 150k premium?
Doesn't sound like a snowball for Porsche ?
Last edited by fxz; 04-24-2024 at 01:28 AM.
#65
Range has nothing to do with battery technology on a 25° celsius sunny day.
A kWh of a LFP battery is the same as 1 kWh from a solid-state battery, which is, you know, the top very new technology « that will change our life ».
What makes the difference?
- density: with solid state, for same weight/volume, you will put in your car 130 kWh (at least) instead of 100 kWh. 30% more kWh/same weight equals 30% more range. But miles per kWh are the same.
- efficiency: big wheels, motors, aerodynamics,
- weather conditions
- driving style
What really makes the difference:
- for round trip: have a charger at your home/business location
- for long trip : at least 2/3 hours of driving per charge on highway, charging curve and availability of « supercharged » chargers.
My point is that the extra value some people are waiting for with « future EV with some new battery technology » is just useless for most of them.
It is over evaluated in the used cars market, the EV war price is another factor that increases the loss of value ; thanks to Tesla in the first place, chinese car builders now.
A 450 miles car value is 50% more than a 300 miles one? You know it’s more complexe than that if you are a 911 owner (for instance).
Sure, at some point there will be cars you don’t need to refuel/charge (ultra dense battery, contact less charge. 200/300 kWh in the battery, you park, you charge without cable).
It will be nice, but with my usage, it won’t be a game changer at all. EV has already been a game changer for me.
A kWh of a LFP battery is the same as 1 kWh from a solid-state battery, which is, you know, the top very new technology « that will change our life ».
What makes the difference?
- density: with solid state, for same weight/volume, you will put in your car 130 kWh (at least) instead of 100 kWh. 30% more kWh/same weight equals 30% more range. But miles per kWh are the same.
- efficiency: big wheels, motors, aerodynamics,
- weather conditions
- driving style
What really makes the difference:
- for round trip: have a charger at your home/business location
- for long trip : at least 2/3 hours of driving per charge on highway, charging curve and availability of « supercharged » chargers.
My point is that the extra value some people are waiting for with « future EV with some new battery technology » is just useless for most of them.
It is over evaluated in the used cars market, the EV war price is another factor that increases the loss of value ; thanks to Tesla in the first place, chinese car builders now.
A 450 miles car value is 50% more than a 300 miles one? You know it’s more complexe than that if you are a 911 owner (for instance).
Sure, at some point there will be cars you don’t need to refuel/charge (ultra dense battery, contact less charge. 200/300 kWh in the battery, you park, you charge without cable).
It will be nice, but with my usage, it won’t be a game changer at all. EV has already been a game changer for me.
Last edited by beye; 04-24-2024 at 04:27 AM.
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TC Cruising (04-24-2024)
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Hoping range is better than that. Would have guessed around 330 miles.
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If real range ends up being 276 miles then Porsche could have done much better. For people that travel a lot like me, I need more real range than that. If all you do is drive local, then it is no big deal. Most Americans will never convert to EV’s until range is similar to gas cars and time to fill up when traveling is consistent and not much slower than gas either.
Hoping range is better than that. Would have guessed around 330 miles.
Hoping range is better than that. Would have guessed around 330 miles.
I guess 320 miles is doable,
but then if i need to drive it slowly i wonder why to pay the Porsche premium?
To bring on weekends a 2.5 ton SUV on b roads? Really?
Last edited by fxz; 04-24-2024 at 10:26 AM.
#68
If I can't use Tesla superchargers with this Macan EV then it's a non-starter. Electrify America is awful - lots of complaints about broken or slow chargers. Buy an ICE Macan now while you still can. They will be highly sought after when the Macan EV is all that Porsche will be selling.
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To each their own. I just went in my BEV to a new Electrifying America station. It was excellent, with 350 kW chargers, Starbucks, rest area in adjoining stores, even a dog walking area. No argument that EA still needs improvement but they are moving in the right direction.
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Awas (04-25-2024)
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Just like my C8 Z06, when I hammer on it (exercising it), my mileage is reduced by a ton. But here is the key issue to me, “DO I CARE?” 99% of the time, since I have an level 2 EVSE in my garage, we care less what my range is on our daily driver EV (our my BWM iX M60). Most days we drive, when we get home we do not even need to charge still — for we have returned home with massive excessive range remaining. When we road trip in it, we plan ahead and again have not had a single range problem on our trips..
Yet,I sure however understand that those who commute a long way ever day, use their vehicle to do their jobs and are driving mega miles every day, that EV range can well be an issue for them. An EV is not for everyone and if someone wishes to buy an ICE or a Lucid Air, good for them.
There will excitedly be a Macan Turbo in our future. Nice again that we all get to choose.
#71
276 might be the real world, IF I’m driving like a Porsche for a Turbo, but who cares?
when I’m road tripping I can calm down and get an extra 20 or 30 miles range if that’s what I want to do. Honestly more than 4 hours of driving without a break sounds like work. I’d prefer to stop and grab a bite, hit a bathroom.
To each their own, but having owned an EV for years now, range is not a big concern for me.
when I’m road tripping I can calm down and get an extra 20 or 30 miles range if that’s what I want to do. Honestly more than 4 hours of driving without a break sounds like work. I’d prefer to stop and grab a bite, hit a bathroom.
To each their own, but having owned an EV for years now, range is not a big concern for me.
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beye (04-24-2024)
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#73
If I can't use Tesla superchargers with this Macan EV then it's a non-starter. Electrify America is awful - lots of complaints about broken or slow chargers. Buy an ICE Macan now while you still can. They will be highly sought after when the Macan EV is all that Porsche will be selling.
The Macan is a daily driver car. It’s not going to become some scarce commodity just because of the Macan EV.
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If real range ends up being 276 miles then Porsche could have done much better. For people that travel a lot like me, I need more real range than that. If all you do is drive local, then it is no big deal. Most Americans will never convert to EV’s until range is similar to gas cars and time to fill up when traveling is consistent and not much slower than gas either.
Hoping range is better than that. Would have guessed around 330 miles.
Hoping range is better than that. Would have guessed around 330 miles.
They just don't know it yet.
#75
My wife and I put a thousand miles a month on our EV and we've never once used public fast charging in the 18 months we've had the car. L2 charge at home and the occasional free L2 charge in public.