Originally Posted by yrralis1

That is how much a Macan Turbo weighs . In contrast a current GTS weighs 4400 pounds . Macan T is 4151 pounds .

It doesn't matter that Porsche tried to redistribute the weight . There is no way to hide it !!

Every journalist review talks about "3.1 seconds " and " more range" on this "all new and exciting" Macan .
Heck , its "even faster than a Gt3"
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/20...han-a-911-gt3/

No 1/4 mile time found BTW .

There. are threads here but not one of them is discussing the elephant in the room .

Originally Posted by daveo4porsche

wow - you're points are nothing new - debunked and do not need to be rehashed - thounsands of Taycan's have been sold and are being driven - and you have your agenda which is clear…

drive an EV and then get back to us.

gasoline having higher density than LiON batteries is factually truly but pointless for efficiency - it's all about miles driven per-kwh consumed - EV's are 3x more efficient per-kWh of equivalent energy - and EV's are effectively 100 mpg modes of transportation - the new Macan with 320+ miles of range for 100 kWh battery (95 kWh suable) will be approximately 110 mpg…

none of us have driven EV's - well that's simply not true…100's of thousand of Tesla's? 10's of thousands of Taycan's world wide have been sold and are being driven.

charging network in europe/china is robust and built out -and Supercharger network in North America is very effective and built out…

seems to me you have your narrative and we have our's - but weight is irrelevant to most purchasers and the efficiency is undeniable as well as the throttle response and acceleration - handling is more than acceptable due to excellent throttle response, low CG, and street legal speeds - don't track it and you'll be fine at any speeds that won't get you arrested for felony speeding - not a track car - yeah we get that - move on - most SUV's are in a similar camp…

what's your point - it's a heavy SUV? yeah - so what? at 100 mpg or more the EV Macan is way way better for daily duty vs. a 22 mpg Macan GTS - and if charged at home in the garage you'll never visit the charging network since the car is full every morning from overnight charging in your home - at 3.2 miles/kWh (or better) efficiency it a way better car for what 99.9% of any Macan's annual usage is likely to be vs. 22 mpg for running to/from school/work/mall/grocery store.

you're beating a drum that doesn't matter to 99% of purchasers and has no bearing on efficiency for energy consumed per-mail - other than if it was lighter it would even better than it is now - but even with it's weight it's already 3x more efficient than the current ICE Macan…

your arguments are not only well understood and pointless they've been hashed over 4 years ago in the Taycan forums and are NOTHING new - and yet people who drive a Taycan tend to love them even when they had the same concerns you express…

it's not an agenda - it's a counter to your narrative which is shallow, pointless and mostly ignores the goals and facts about energy consumed per-unit of distance driven…and is wrong if you think the EV charging network isn't viable and getting better every day not worse…

don't buy a MacanEV - great - but let's not pretend that weight matters on a luxury SUV for driving to/from the mall/school/soccer practice.

Originally Posted by daveo4porsche

weight is irrelevant when the top selling vehicles in North America are 4800 lbs (or more) pick up trucks and various large SUV's…next topic?

Originally Posted by yrralis1

I said no one has driven the Macan EV . You also paint the picture as though it looks perfect yet its almost unanimous even here. that they cars drop like a rock in value and become dated faster than an iPhone . The new Taycan didn't just beat Tesla . It destroyed the outgoing model . Look at a 2015 launch year Macan and even though its dated the shift its not dramatic .

Those ranges are also claimed under "ideal" driving . A heat wave , cold snap or any other hurdle changes it . Porsche never built an EV car because they wanted to . They built it because legislatively in Europe they had too . The best cars Porsche ever built were the ones they wanted to . Even using your premises of pets, groceries and the shopping mall any buyer now also embraces a new relationship .. a charger at his house and a base price almost double what the original was 10 years go .

Porsche knows this ., They launched the car in Singapore because that is their market .

You think even skeptic hates the EV and thats not true . What infuriates most that ICE Macan will stagnate with the intent to be abolished. The CHOICE taken away . I am not anti EV . I favor choice.

Originally Posted by yrralis1

You could click "ignore" rather than dismiss a valid point. . Gasoline has 100 times the energy of LiPo batteries and its cheaper !! Until these two things change the use case for electric cars won't be widespread . There needs to be a network to support them and no one is building anything meaningful to accomplish that. Instead companies like Porsche will reduce the drag coefficients and place select tires aimed at touting "more range" because with the added weight its like moving a heavy brick through air .

None if us have driven the car . None of us have spent a dime . Yet you want to ditch any counter point that doesnt suit your narrative .

Apparently you (specifically ) dont want a discussion unless it a cheerleading section eagerly awaiting and excited to drop 130K without ANY thought or skepticism .,

Originally Posted by yrralis1

That is how much a Macan Turbo weighs . In contrast a current GTS weighs 4400 pounds . Macan T is 4151 pounds .

It doesn't matter that Porsche tried to redistribute the weight . There is no way to hide it !!

Every journalist review talks about "3.1 seconds " and " more range" on this "all new and exciting" Macan .
Heck , its "even faster than a Gt3"
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/01/20...han-a-911-gt3/

No 1/4 mile time found BTW .

There. are threads here but not one of them is discussing the elephant in the room .

Originally Posted by michaelp

We should really compare to other EVs. Doesn't make sense to compare to ICE cars, because you know.. batteries:

• Tesla Model S: Weight - 4,883 lbs (2,214 kg), Range - 348-520 miles (560-837 km)
• Tesla Model 3: Weight - 3,552 lbs (1,611 kg), Range - 263-353 miles (423-568 km)
• Tesla Model X: Weight - 5,421 lbs (2,459 kg), Range - 305-371 miles (491-597 km)
• Tesla Model Y: Weight - 4,416 lbs (2,003 kg), Range - 244-326 miles (393-525 km)
• Chevrolet Bolt EV: Weight - 3,563 lbs (1,615 kg), Range - 259 miles (417 km)
• Nissan Leaf: Weight - 3,433 lbs (1,558 kg), Range - 150-226 miles (241-363 km)
• Audi e-tron: Weight - 5,754 lbs (2,610 kg), Range - 218-222 miles (351-357 km)
• Porsche Taycan: Weight - 4,960 lbs (2,250 kg), Range - 200-227 miles (322-365 km)
• Ford Mustang Mach-E: Weight - 4,394 lbs (1,995 kg), Range - 211-305 miles (340-491 km)
• BMW i3: Weight - 2,961 lbs (1,344 kg), Range - 153-200 miles (246-322 km)

(note the Model S range numbers seem inflated)

Originally Posted by AlexCeres

ICE engines are also 10x less efficient than EV motors, so most of that extra energy is pissed away heating the neighborhood. Literally. As for the network and electrical grid, it’s the same amount of energy as AC. Phoenix is habitable at all because we’ve already done this before. It’s really wild watching people,with political grudges claim things AMERICA HAS ALREADY DONE BEFORE are impossible. Such ignorance. Pathetic.

and the market has spoken. Customers don’t give a **** about weight. Trucks, SUVs, even sports cars are heavier and heavier. Seen a modern BMW or Mercedes lately ? Even the 911 TTS is over 3600#.

Originally Posted by Airbag997

But when you factor in the electricity generation and transmission efficiency and losses it's a wash energy wise.

Originally Posted by daveo4porsche

you're all over the map

you started with weight and we said we don't care

then you pivot

used car values are all over the map - depreciate is a fact of life in all vehicles except special rare cars

what do you want form this thread?

you said weight was the elephant in the room - and we said we don't care and frankly it does't matter

what is your goal?

get us to not buy Macan EV's?

I know which one I prefer to drive to the mall and it's not the ICE vehicle.

Originally Posted by hitmonlee

Please go to every EV forum out there and post a new thread titled "The [INSERT EV MODEL NAME] is so heavy!" Tell people you're making "a valid point" and it's "the elephant in the room" that nobody discusses.

Keep us posted on how it goes.