current market on gt4?
07-19-2017, 02:25 AM
#61
My dealer recently "verbally" offered me MSRP (what I paid) for my GT4, on a trade in if I go for a 991.2 GT3. It's a year old, with 7000 miles, a new 3rd gear and a bunch of track days. To me, this means that I should be able to get even more on the open market, but probably smarter to trade her in.
I'm on the 991.2 6mt, PTS list, supposedly, and may go that route if the 918 owners don't scoop 'em all up first.
I'm on the 991.2 6mt, PTS list, supposedly, and may go that route if the 918 owners don't scoop 'em all up first.
07-19-2017, 12:04 PM
#62
Here's an ebay listing for a 96K msrp car.
1st time finished at 95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche...53.m1438.l2649
2nd time finished at 90
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche...53.m1438.l2649
If I had one, and someone offered my MSRP and I was interested in selling it for real I'd let it go.
1st time finished at 95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche...53.m1438.l2649
2nd time finished at 90
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche...53.m1438.l2649
If I had one, and someone offered my MSRP and I was interested in selling it for real I'd let it go.
07-19-2017, 01:24 PM
#63
Rennlist Member
Looking into trading mine. MSRP $117k, CPO, full front Expel and 12k miles. Current offers $100-$105k on trade.
07-19-2017, 03:12 PM
#65
Drifting
I love Wranglers and Porsches, know how they're supposed to be used, and enjoy modding and racing/off-roading them. But I generally don't like to buy somebody else's modded/tracked car unless the price makes it a winning proposition.
07-19-2017, 04:30 PM
#66
Race Director
For me it would depend on mods and how was used. If someone had one with upgraded headers and an exhaust and they would provide the stock items on the side I would have no problem with the Mod and would choose that over a stock car. Actually, only a tracked car would bother me a little not the actual Mods. To me the Mods are money in my pocket.
07-19-2017, 05:48 PM
#67
For me it would depend on mods and how was used. If someone had one with upgraded headers and an exhaust and they would provide the stock items on the side I would have no problem with the Mod and would choose that over a stock car. Actually, only a tracked car would bother me a little not the actual Mods. To me the Mods are money in my pocket.
07-19-2017, 06:39 PM
#68
Everyone, of course, is entitled to their own opinion, and you (Jimmy-D) are no waif to this community, but I heard recently from a Porsche Technician (not service advisor, but actual tech) that these cars--all Porsches--like to be driven. Referring to my 991.1 C4S, he said "You bought a race car and it likes to be driven hard...and not doing so is like buying a race horse and taking it only on pony rides--these cars like to stretch their legs."
07-19-2017, 06:47 PM
#69
I'm not sure what anyone could say to convince me that there's some magical engine out there that, unlike all other engines, likes to be pushed to its limit and run hard. It's a machine, and even a stout machine is going to break and wear out eventually of if you ask a lot from it.
07-19-2017, 07:02 PM
#70
There is an extreme on either side of the spectrum. I consider a track rat as much of an abused car as a garage queen.
There is a guy at local C&C events that has a Turbo with center locks and PCCB. The car looks better than the one that rolled off of factory just now. He licks every inch of it and wipes it 17 times a day.. proceeds to tell me all the wonders of the PCCB (despite me having multiple track days and auto-x class victories under my belt). I feel so bad for that poor car.
There is a guy at local C&C events that has a Turbo with center locks and PCCB. The car looks better than the one that rolled off of factory just now. He licks every inch of it and wipes it 17 times a day.. proceeds to tell me all the wonders of the PCCB (despite me having multiple track days and auto-x class victories under my belt). I feel so bad for that poor car.
07-19-2017, 07:16 PM
#71
eh, whatever. It's his car, he can do whatever he wants with it... not our business to care what he does.
I agree, both ends of the spectrum can be issues, but why all this talk from the dealers telling people to beat on the car like you stole it because "that's what it wants"? I've literally been told by sales people at one of the local dealers if you drive it hard it will last longer.
I agree, both ends of the spectrum can be issues, but why all this talk from the dealers telling people to beat on the car like you stole it because "that's what it wants"? I've literally been told by sales people at one of the local dealers if you drive it hard it will last longer.
07-19-2017, 07:29 PM
#72
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by VLJ
eh, whatever. It's his car, he can do whatever he wants with it... not our business to care what he does.
I agree, both ends of the spectrum can be issues, but why all this talk from the dealers telling people to beat on the car like you stole it because "that's what it wants"? I've literally been told by sales people at one of the local dealers if you drive it hard it will last longer.
I agree, both ends of the spectrum can be issues, but why all this talk from the dealers telling people to beat on the car like you stole it because "that's what it wants"? I've literally been told by sales people at one of the local dealers if you drive it hard it will last longer.
07-19-2017, 08:09 PM
#73
07-19-2017, 09:45 PM
#74
Rennlist Member
^ True, Joe .
Cars are designed to be driven, and not just for our benefit/enjoyment. All seals, bearings, rings, tires, etc. need to be used or they go away. Seals dry out, tires time out, bearings and rings and coolant passages can get stuck/contaminated/rusty, etc. None of that stuff was designed to work sitting still.
Low or super low mileage isn't always better. Sometimes, it's actually worse. If I am going to buy, use, and enjoy a car, I'd rather have an exceptionally well cared for example with reasonable or even high miles and fastidious maintenance (and no over-revs or sketchy computer history) that was driven by an owner who doesn't hammer his or her cars when the oil is cold, etc. A pristine car neglected and left sitting for weeks if not months at a time can be a visual delight but a mechanical nightmare. Just ask a friend who bought a pristine 928 only to find that its cylinder heads were completely corroded and required big $$$ to repair. Yes, aluminum cylinder heads can go bad due to stagnant coolant.
Cars are designed to be driven, and not just for our benefit/enjoyment. All seals, bearings, rings, tires, etc. need to be used or they go away. Seals dry out, tires time out, bearings and rings and coolant passages can get stuck/contaminated/rusty, etc. None of that stuff was designed to work sitting still.
Low or super low mileage isn't always better. Sometimes, it's actually worse. If I am going to buy, use, and enjoy a car, I'd rather have an exceptionally well cared for example with reasonable or even high miles and fastidious maintenance (and no over-revs or sketchy computer history) that was driven by an owner who doesn't hammer his or her cars when the oil is cold, etc. A pristine car neglected and left sitting for weeks if not months at a time can be a visual delight but a mechanical nightmare. Just ask a friend who bought a pristine 928 only to find that its cylinder heads were completely corroded and required big $$$ to repair. Yes, aluminum cylinder heads can go bad due to stagnant coolant.
07-23-2017, 11:16 AM
#75
Rennlist Member
Up, down, flat…who knows?
The only smart thing to do is add miles to a GT4—that's where the value is. As for price, it seems like the GT4 is following at least one time-worn trend: More options don't translate into more dollars in the second-hand market, with the exceptions of LWBS and PTS for some buyers. Just my take, but it seems like the North American market views the GT4 as a $100,000 car +/-5000—so that loaded GT4s may sell under MSRP and/or take longer to move while low-option cars may sell for more than MSRP and/or take less time to move. That leaves GT4s with middling MSRPs doing just fine. Suspect there are exceptions to both scenarios; mileage and color will have an impact too.
Will be interesting to watch what happens from here. With little else to choose from in the same sphere, with the GT3 line moving upward in $10,000+ leaps, and with the next GT4 expected to have a more exotic NA flat six but also be quite a bit more expensive (think 15-25k), it's a reasonable bet that 981 GT4 prices won't fall off a cliff. I see that as a huge bonus in a car that already offers plenty of value even if it followed typical depreciation curves.
The only smart thing to do is add miles to a GT4—that's where the value is. As for price, it seems like the GT4 is following at least one time-worn trend: More options don't translate into more dollars in the second-hand market, with the exceptions of LWBS and PTS for some buyers. Just my take, but it seems like the North American market views the GT4 as a $100,000 car +/-5000—so that loaded GT4s may sell under MSRP and/or take longer to move while low-option cars may sell for more than MSRP and/or take less time to move. That leaves GT4s with middling MSRPs doing just fine. Suspect there are exceptions to both scenarios; mileage and color will have an impact too.
Will be interesting to watch what happens from here. With little else to choose from in the same sphere, with the GT3 line moving upward in $10,000+ leaps, and with the next GT4 expected to have a more exotic NA flat six but also be quite a bit more expensive (think 15-25k), it's a reasonable bet that 981 GT4 prices won't fall off a cliff. I see that as a huge bonus in a car that already offers plenty of value even if it followed typical depreciation curves.
Thx