Used GT4 Prices
09-11-2016, 06:26 PM
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I think this is the basis for much of the "hand-wringing".
For many, this purchase was probably a halo car or a "stretch"... that was justified by assuming the price value would hold, akin to a GT3. Basically, it kind of is (and was marketed as) an entry level GT3.
Many owners I speak to came from a vehicle that cast about half as much. So they are keeping the eye on values. On average, it seems that the GT4 owners I meet make less than half of what typical GT3 owners make that I know.
Sure, there are the wealthy enthusiast buyers, but also there are a lot of "stretch" buyers that came from the $50k car world.
For many, this purchase was probably a halo car or a "stretch"... that was justified by assuming the price value would hold, akin to a GT3. Basically, it kind of is (and was marketed as) an entry level GT3.
Many owners I speak to came from a vehicle that cast about half as much. So they are keeping the eye on values. On average, it seems that the GT4 owners I meet make less than half of what typical GT3 owners make that I know.
Sure, there are the wealthy enthusiast buyers, but also there are a lot of "stretch" buyers that came from the $50k car world.
09-11-2016, 11:11 PM
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And even when you sell the house, it only really matters if you're moving out of the NorCal market... otherwise if prices are down, you'll buy the next one down, and if they're up, you'll buy the next one up, trading roughly like-for-like...
09-12-2016, 01:36 PM
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So you can sell on the high, and then wait to buy on the low?
09-12-2016, 07:25 PM
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Housing bubble bursts again . . . . .
Construction takes a dump . . . . .
Economy takes a dump . . . . . .
Contractors/construction labor sell off all of the toys bought during the "it will never end" Euphoria.
It's a nice concept to believe we can ultimately "have our cake and eat it too" with these cars but I don't think it usually works that way. Folks hold onto these cars long term because they love them not as an investment IMHO. If it turns out you held onto the right model that's just a bonus.
09-12-2016, 09:33 PM
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I may be selling my white gt4 with buckets but havent decided on price yet.
However, if I sell it will be October 12 or so before I sell.
It has nice options and had msrp of 98840
I put roll bar, harnesses, misc. parts for alignment.
Car has about 1980 miles but will be slightly more when I sell next month.
I also have a very nice set of Forgelines with Hoosier R7s that are not new but may still have a few heat cycles left. - these will either go with the car or be sold AFTER I sell the car not before.
I will think about price but email me if you are interested and we can start the dialogue.
However, if I sell it will be October 12 or so before I sell.
It has nice options and had msrp of 98840
I put roll bar, harnesses, misc. parts for alignment.
Car has about 1980 miles but will be slightly more when I sell next month.
I also have a very nice set of Forgelines with Hoosier R7s that are not new but may still have a few heat cycles left. - these will either go with the car or be sold AFTER I sell the car not before.
I will think about price but email me if you are interested and we can start the dialogue.
09-14-2016, 06:22 PM
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I've been watching the GT4 market very closely for a week now trying to wrap my mind around it.
My research is unscientific, but I have a running list with 12 cars (so far) that I am tracking closely, and a few more I've seen that I am not tracking but keeping running into. At least 3 of these cars, I would probably buy if turns out to be the right car, still trying to get stick time.
I'm running this experiment because I am in the market, can't stop thinking about jumping in, but I lack GT4 drive time experience. So this keeps me focused on it while I search for one I can drive and helps me feel engaged. In a nutshell:
Observations so far:
I think owners are doing fine so far, but obviously way too early to know for sure. I'm also doing the same thing with 14/15/16 GT3, but not at the same level of engagement quite yet, only enough to know that if one came along at X, it would be a really good deal.
My research is unscientific, but I have a running list with 12 cars (so far) that I am tracking closely, and a few more I've seen that I am not tracking but keeping running into. At least 3 of these cars, I would probably buy if turns out to be the right car, still trying to get stick time.
I'm running this experiment because I am in the market, can't stop thinking about jumping in, but I lack GT4 drive time experience. So this keeps me focused on it while I search for one I can drive and helps me feel engaged. In a nutshell:
- dealer cars are asking for 8-17% over MSRP
- private sale cars are asking for 4-11% over MSRP
- Paint To Sample cars are asking 20-30% over MSRP
Observations so far:
- California has a higher sticker to asking "tax" than anywhere else
- The best values aren't moving immediately -but this doesn't indicate a trend by any means yet
I think owners are doing fine so far, but obviously way too early to know for sure. I'm also doing the same thing with 14/15/16 GT3, but not at the same level of engagement quite yet, only enough to know that if one came along at X, it would be a really good deal.
09-14-2016, 07:04 PM
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make sure you are adding in the out of pocket expenses that might already be included. A really good clearbra job is about 2K, and paint correction is another grand. Rollbar is 2-5K, belts installed are another 1K, etc....
09-15-2016, 02:28 AM
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09-15-2016, 03:04 AM
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i really don't think the next gt4 will be NA
keeping mine
it's not a perfect car by any means, esp regarding power delivery
but it is very involving, confidence inspiring and exciting to drive, not to mention nice to look at
for 100k or thereabouts, hard to ask for more in a new, tough as nails porsche track rat
keeping mine
it's not a perfect car by any means, esp regarding power delivery
but it is very involving, confidence inspiring and exciting to drive, not to mention nice to look at
for 100k or thereabouts, hard to ask for more in a new, tough as nails porsche track rat
09-15-2016, 02:35 PM
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My prediction (regardless of what AP is suggesting) for the next GT4:
4-cylinder turbo producing 400HP and and 340lbft of torque.
MSRP $95k+
Manual with same long gear ratios
PDK for clubsport only
4-cylinder turbo producing 400HP and and 340lbft of torque.
MSRP $95k+
Manual with same long gear ratios
PDK for clubsport only
09-15-2016, 03:29 PM
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the objective is to broaden the audience for entry level gt cars... pdk thus a requirement... pag has done its penance with 981 gt4 as manual only to assuage the purists PO'd by PDK-only 991 GT3, next round will be to do what the car is intended for fully - broaden the enthusiast base by attracting younger customers
09-15-2016, 04:47 PM
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next gt4 will have pdk for sure as well as manual
the objective is to broaden the audience for entry level gt cars... pdk thus a requirement... pag has done its penance with 981 gt4 as manual only to assuage the purists PO'd by PDK-only 991 GT3, next round will be to do what the car is intended for fully - broaden the enthusiast base by attracting younger customers
the objective is to broaden the audience for entry level gt cars... pdk thus a requirement... pag has done its penance with 981 gt4 as manual only to assuage the purists PO'd by PDK-only 991 GT3, next round will be to do what the car is intended for fully - broaden the enthusiast base by attracting younger customers
I was thinking they would continue to use the gearbox to continue the performance gap between the next GT4 and the GT3, considering the next GT4 will probably have slightly more power.
