Salter Aero Wing Supports
08-11-2016, 09:35 PM
#46
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Just another opinion FWIW . . .
Pretty steep price --agree, especially if buyer's intent is cosmetic
Worse aero? --unknown
Worse visibility? --unknown, guess at best until seen from inside car
Worse weight? --Really?!? The difference in clothes you wear day to day is probably more than the weight these add.
Worse aesthetics? -- agree with "eye of the beholder". I happen to think they look pretty good on the car from the pics shown so far.
Pretty steep price --agree, especially if buyer's intent is cosmetic
Worse aero? --unknown
Worse visibility? --unknown, guess at best until seen from inside car
Worse weight? --Really?!? The difference in clothes you wear day to day is probably more than the weight these add.
Worse aesthetics? -- agree with "eye of the beholder". I happen to think they look pretty good on the car from the pics shown so far.
As far as the weight, again comment was made to be humorous more than anything. But to your point about the jeans, at least those are towards the bottom of the car and don't disrupt center of gravity, risers sit high.
08-11-2016, 11:46 PM
#47
This was all meant to be tongue and cheek... Look what we are up against - Porsche has given us such as well 'modded' car from the factory that we're left to tinker with good.
As far as the weight, again comment was made to be humorous more than anything. But to your point about the jeans, at least those are towards the bottom of the car and don't disrupt center of gravity, risers sit high.
As far as the weight, again comment was made to be humorous more than anything. But to your point about the jeans, at least those are towards the bottom of the car and don't disrupt center of gravity, risers sit high.
Does this mean I need to be more mindful of my headgear selections?
08-12-2016, 04:08 AM
#48
08-22-2016, 09:13 AM
#51
Here is my 2 cents worth thinking. GT4 has 385 HP. As is, the car is very well balanced and so hard to make the rear come loose. Understeer in turns is really the only problem with this car on the track. Even if we concede (not yet proven from everything I have read in this thread) that the higher riser will give more downforce, the front end will then become lighter (hence perhaps more understeer in turns) and harder (than the OEM wing) to reach higher speeds quickly (due to alleged higher downforce on the rear) with the 385 HP motor. Again my 2 cents worth of thinking is that a higher aero probably has better aesthetics on the street (to some of us) and probably puts a GT4 at a disadvantage on the track. Why not just make the angle of the OEM wing more steep if you want more downforce on the rear? Porsche has given us that option in the OEM wing, right?
Just saying...
Just saying...
08-22-2016, 01:09 PM
#52
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This ^
I don't believe I've seen a single tuner that knows these cars (BGB, GMG, TPC etc) mention the need for more downforce. Nor have I seen any of the "fast guys" around here mention it either. There's factory (porsche) development and then there is race development - where is the evidence? At this point it appears to be cosmetic in my mind as well.
I don't believe I've seen a single tuner that knows these cars (BGB, GMG, TPC etc) mention the need for more downforce. Nor have I seen any of the "fast guys" around here mention it either. There's factory (porsche) development and then there is race development - where is the evidence? At this point it appears to be cosmetic in my mind as well.
08-22-2016, 06:02 PM
#53
Totally agree....but boy do they look good!
08-23-2016, 11:06 AM
#56
Ordered!!! For me the aesthetics out weight the aero as 75% of the time I am just cruising with the car. Maybe I have GT3RS envy but damn those extensions look more factory than the factory units! Totally over priced but so are the Vorstiener extensions and IMHO they are much less attractive!
08-23-2016, 11:30 AM
#57
The Salter Team has 2 leads and hales from Vancouver, Canada. The parts are designed and manufactured there.
Dope and I agree these risers look more OEM and like the GT3RS than the original ones. Price wise it's all in the design and quality. And like you said the other competitors are not far behind in price for just an extension not a full/complete upright.
Ordered!!! For me the aesthetics out weight the aero as 75% of the time I am just cruising with the car. Maybe I have GT3RS envy but damn those extensions look more factory than the factory units! Totally over priced but so are the Vorstiener extensions and IMHO they are much less attractive!
08-23-2016, 11:49 AM
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08-23-2016, 11:51 AM
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08-23-2016, 12:01 PM
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You lot crack me up. A bunch of keyboard experts.
What would it take to satisfy you? Wind tunnel data, is it? Well exactly how much is that gonna cost? Let's say it's $10k/day. You'll need a good baseline, plus testing the new parts. Then you'll want to try various tweaks. So let's say you spend two days in a wind tunnel. That's $20k. Plus you'll need to hire an expert, have your designer on-site, maybe another guy to do the wrenching. You'll need a car, of course. And wind tunnels aren't on every corner, like Starbucks, so you'll need to travel to reach it, not to mention food and lodging. Let's say all that was another $10k. Now you're in for $30k. How many do you expect to sell? I'll be generous and say 50. $30k/50 units = $600/unit sold just to recoup that money. And you haven't even factored in the actual cost of design and manufacture.
Obviously these are just guesstimates, but I'll bet I'm on the low end of real numbers. I work in design and manufacture, so I think I understand this better than most.
That's a hell of a lot of money to risk on a niche product. And don't even get me started about some of you asking for them to test with other vendors parts to balance the front end.
I'll just wrap up by saying I've already purchased a set. I'm very much looking forward to putting them on my car.
What would it take to satisfy you? Wind tunnel data, is it? Well exactly how much is that gonna cost? Let's say it's $10k/day. You'll need a good baseline, plus testing the new parts. Then you'll want to try various tweaks. So let's say you spend two days in a wind tunnel. That's $20k. Plus you'll need to hire an expert, have your designer on-site, maybe another guy to do the wrenching. You'll need a car, of course. And wind tunnels aren't on every corner, like Starbucks, so you'll need to travel to reach it, not to mention food and lodging. Let's say all that was another $10k. Now you're in for $30k. How many do you expect to sell? I'll be generous and say 50. $30k/50 units = $600/unit sold just to recoup that money. And you haven't even factored in the actual cost of design and manufacture.
Obviously these are just guesstimates, but I'll bet I'm on the low end of real numbers. I work in design and manufacture, so I think I understand this better than most.
That's a hell of a lot of money to risk on a niche product. And don't even get me started about some of you asking for them to test with other vendors parts to balance the front end.
I'll just wrap up by saying I've already purchased a set. I'm very much looking forward to putting them on my car.