Anyone try the ME25s?

 

Let me know what you need and I can see what they can do.

Are you getting me a RS at sticker?

 

Where do you guys go for the endless pads? I haven't been able to find them anywhere without a 3-4 week turnaround or they are not available.

Thank you!

 

Nissan Performance sells the Endless fluid at good price.

And, contact Michael at Acute Performance on pricing for pads. Both come up on an internet search.

Endless is more popular with the GTR crowd and they have provided good pricing in the past.

 

The problem is that Endless runs all of their distribution through "Endless USA" in CA. Unfortunately, that is more or less a one man operation. They don't have a significant amount of inventory on hand, and mostly order as-needed. That means there are never a significant amount of their pads available on short-notice.

 

Both the PFC 08 and RT RE10 have better longevity, performance and availability / support compared to the ME20 pad or typical Porsche applications. We have had customers do back to back testing.

Endless is typically expensive and not readily available as many have stated unless you have a "hookup" and even then, there are multiple products which perform better, are cost effective, and are more readily available.

 

be interesting to see the data to back this up if you have some.

 

The me20s are not popular for their end all track performance. They are popular for giving very good track performance and very good street manners. The endless pads are also much cheaper if you just order directly from Japan vs going through a USA vendor.

How are the street manners on the 2 pads you mentioned above?

 

^ where can I get them from Japan?

 

Haven't searched for porsche yet, but just find any Japanese company that ships internationally to see if they can sourse pads for your car. I used to order my pads from rhdjapan. I plan on asking them when I wear out my stock pads if they can get me endless pads for the gt4.

 

FYI, The Endless ME20 are about 49000 Yen (after tax) a front set for a 996 / 997 / 991 GT3 front application and 34000 Yen (after tax) for a standard 4 piston set. By the time you do the conversion (2016 - 110 yen / dollar) and pay shipping (100 bucks or so) the difference is not that significant.

We looked into this about 4-5 years ago for some Porsche and Ferrari pads and Nengun and RHDJapan were the sites to get them. But Endless in Japan clamped down heavilly on grey market to the US because of complaints from the US importer(s) and a lot of sites could not get them anymore.

 

We / or have had clients run all 3 before. Sorry I don't have any concrete A/B comparison data.

In 2012 several of the fast florida DE crowd used to run Endless ME20s and the PFC 08s lasted significantly longer on the 997 GT3 / RS. Performance went down as the pads wore as well on the Endless.

PFC doesn't make a good endurance pad for the new porsche models. The RE10 lasts about 20-30% longer than a PFC 08.

Regarding street manners: A lot of it has to do with how the pads are used and the cars are driven (brake pressure/operating temp). PFC08s can be quiet depending on how you drive on it (they can loud if you use light pressure). RE10s for the most part have been quiet (mild squealing under light pressure) for us also and they brake when cold as well.

 

^ how does the PFC11 compare? I see that there's GT4 fitment available in PFC11.

 

It's the best sprint pad option from PFC. They are a good all around pad, but if you pay more there are better options in terms of longevity and helping the OEM brake system last without as much servicing. PFC's generate quite a bit of heat to the calipers but 11's disc and pad wear is quite a bit nicer than the 01 pad which it replaced. Bite is good also.

You won't get PFC 08 / Endurance pad life if you are trying to get multiple days out of a set of pads, PFC 11 is a sprint pad after all. The 11 compound is the standard pad in the 991 Cup as a baseline reference point.

 

Wow, from 2010RS where we went from looking at pad and rotor wear all the time to brakes being a non issue today. 8 days on front pads and 16 days on rotors was the norm.
Only advantage PFC is cheaper to buy initially and you don't have to bed them in.

I have 6 hard days at Sebring and a few hours at PBIR, (including Derek Bell setting them on fire) on these OEM rotors and RE10 pads...Look new...
A few years ago when someone made that claim, I'd just write them off as slower beginners.

It's such a luxury, I think these pads will last as long as the front rotors +/- 16+ days. I can only imagine on a lighter slower GT4, what 20 days?!

I replaced my first front rotors after about 18 track days and there were really still good for more but I wanted to car to look less whored out to bring it back to the factory. These days included brake killers like SPA, Red Bill Ring Paul Ricard, Magny Course, etc. Hard tracks!

After about 12 days I replaced the RE10's and they were only worn about 60/70%.
I have a set of RE10 that only have a couple days on them and they look new. I put in new RE10's just for this test at Sebring..

See pics: