master_jcp

Would love to see a 981 GT4 oder 991 RS in sternrubin like the 964 RS in the early 90's.

Z356

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Master_jcp: Don't forget the two 'Sternrubin' 911s that belong to the factory museum in Zuffenhausen:





Yes, would love to see this color on a 991 or 981 soon!

Interestingly enough, I was told at a luncheon hosted for me at
PAG last July by 'Porsche Exclusive' that the reason that .2 997
gt3 RS was built in the first place (now part of the Museum cars)
is that 'Sternrubin' was under consideration as one of the standard
colors to be offered in the .2 997 RS. Here is the story as I reported
in another thread:





https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...-2015-a-4.html

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Coincidently I know where Master _jcp's photo of the 'Sternrubin' 1992
964 'RS' was taken - just outside Düsseldorf at 'Classic Remise'. I was
there last July and took these photos of the exact same car:







It's a 1992 964 'Carrera RS' for the European market. We knew the color in
the English-speaking Porsche markets as 'Rubystone Red', color code 82N.
It seems to have been standard Porsche offering for all MY1991 & MY1992
964s. The seller of this car for sale in Germany refers to the color (farbe)
as 'Violett'. Porsche now refers to the color as 'Sternrubin' or 'Ruby Star'.
But it's the same color - historic color code 82N.






I recommend anyone traveling in the vicinity of Düsseldorf to
pay a visit to 'Classic Remise'. It's free. And it has a nice
collections of cars in storage & for sale, plus a beautiful old
railroad repair facility used as the display structure which is
a wonder to see!



Post #147
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...2015-a-10.html

http://remise.de/Classic-Remise-Dues...sh-summary.php

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Hope all are enjoying a peaceful Holiday week!



Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

Ferrarisimo

Thanks for your insight as always, Eduardo. I find it fascinating, and perhaps a little bewildering, that the Porsche board of directors has to approve colors on ultra low-volume GT models before they're given the green light. I'd figure that authority would lay with an executive VP or something.

Z356

Yes, I was pretty surprised when I was told this. The one that said it
to me was Boris Apenbrink, Director Special Vehicles. And it was told
to me in the presence of Director Dr. Tobias Donnevert , who is the
head of the entire Customer Services at Zuffenhausen - 'Porsche
Exclusive', 'Delivery Center', etc. So I am pretty sure it's true!

It shows the kind of involvement that the Porsche Board of Directors
have (almost micro-managing) of their 'halo' products, of which few
equal the gt3 & RS at PAG! I must tell you from experience that
Porsche is particular concerned with what they in Germany call the
'communication' colors, which is the hue of a new model chosen
to be introduced. It is done with much fanfare by the marketing
& publicity departments at Porsche. Recently, the 'communication'
color that caught everyone's attention was the new 'Lava Orange'
for the .1 991 gt3 RS. Frankly, I think was less than successful from
hearing the reactions of my color enthusiast friends here at Rennlist
and seeing it for the first time in person last July in Zuffenhausen.
Yet 'Lava' is apparently a commercial successful for PAG as we are
presently seemingly overwhelmed with 'Lava Orange' RS...and now
that is a 'Special Color' on the 991, even on garden-variety 911s!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Perimeter

They've opened it back up

jlee504

They re-opened PTS for the GT4?

Jeff

d00d

Dear Porsche,
Santa didn't bring me any toys this year, but I made sure to make other people happy for Christmas.
Your standard colors are kind of bland, but folks here have found some really good ones that you used to use.
I know you don't need any more money, however I have a February build and you could paint my GT4 alongside an already scheduled PTS color in your paint shop.
Let me know what PTS colors you are doing then, and I will humbly pick one of those.
Thanks for your consideration.

Ferrarisimo

Seconding this question.

n4v4nod

Unless you post the dealer memo from Porche AG that states this, it's just a bad rumor!

9elheven

Yes, please provide more details. For those of us with the desire to select colors for our soon-to-lock builds, it's jarring to see such a statement without any details and/or clarification. Give it up!!

CAlexio

Should we explain the different levels of rumor, of just place him at level 5?

mgerber

I know this is a bit OT, but wanted to offer up a thought regarding the "Board of Directors" having to approve colors. I have no special insight into PAG's governance structure so everything that follows in this first paragraph is my supposition. I am wondering if the concept of the "Board of Directors" approving colors is being interpreted via our USA centric paradigm as being approved by the Supervisory Board of PAG. I ran a business in Europe for a few years and learned that in most cases titles are very different than titles in the USA for what we call board members and operating executives. The lead operating executive in Europe is typically called the "Managing Director" (and in rarer cases CEO) and has an executive team composed of "Directors". Our company at the time had a Finance Director, Customer Service Director, Operations Director, Engineering Director, etc. So although they are called Directors, the Directors as a group (or "board" or "executive board") are equivalent to a USA CEO and other C level executives, and are responsible for day to day management of the business. Corporate strategy and governance in Europe typically falls to a Supervisory Board, versus what we in the USA call a Board of Directors. Some of our Euro Directors were also members of the Supervisory Board. Given the PAG Directors own day to day operations I would view it as reasonable for them to be involved in some way with key color choices on halo cars and/or colors that fall outside of normal production processes.

Eduardo: Thanks again for sharing all of your experience and expertise on this topic! Your contribution to our collective knowledge in this area is immeasurable.

Matt

Ferrarisimo

Makes sense. We have a partnership with a German company at my work, and their "management board" is made of what we would consider e-staff in a similar US company: executive VPs, chief operation officer, director of production, and so on.

Z356

Thanks Matt for that post!

I believe the 'Board' that Boris Apenbrink was referring to when he was speaking
to me about 'color' approval for the gt3 RS was the 'Executive Board' or 'Board
of Management' at PAG. I will double check with him next time I see him & report
back to all of you!

For those not familiar with how the management at PAG works, we might as well
review their current management structure which I think will be of interest to many
of you!



Werk I (photo above), which houses the executive offices of PAG.

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Porsche AG has an Executive Board (Board of Management) that currently has
the following members:





One of the members above (Mr. Hatz) was 'suspended' last September
following 'Dieselgate'. I don't know the status of his employment at
PAG at the moment. But for the time being, he apparently has not
been removed from the 'Executive Board' at PAG.

Detlev von Platen is a new member. He is the former CEO of PCNA.
And was promoted to head of Worldwide Sales & Marketing based
in Germany after the management re-organization after Dieselgate.

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Above the 'Executive Board' lies the 'Supervisory Board'. Presently
at PAG, it consists of the following individuals:





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The 'Executive Board' of PAG reports to the Chairman of the Board of
Management at the VW Group:






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As an aside, so that all of you know some key facts in the surprising
turn of affairs at the Volkswagen Group this year, Ferdinand Piëch
resigned as Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the VW Group
last April. That position is currently taken by Hans Dieter Pötsch.
It was never offered or given* to Martin Winterkorn, who remained
in the cross-hairs of Ferdinand Piëch (who remained an influencial
Porsche family member & Porsche Automobil Holding SE stockholder).
Winterkorn weathered the management crisis last April & continued
as Chairman (CEO) of the Management Board at VW until September,
when he was forced to resigned after news of 'Dieselgate' became
public knowledge.

*Berthold Huber served as interim Chairman of the VW Supervisory
Board until Hans Dieter Pötsch was appointed on Oct 7th, 2015.

You can follow this interesting & continuing saga here:

https://rennlist.com/forums/off-topi...ory-board.html

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Ferrarisimo

Eduardo, you are practically a national treasure and easily the most valuable resource on these forums. Thank you for your constant nuggets of wisdom and portals into the world of PAG.