OT: Cayman GT4
06-08-2014, 08:19 AM
#151
http://www.porsche-code.com/PFFX7VI9
i see my language issue.
yes, the gt3 cost more than GT4. i was saying that many automatically assumes that a GT3 should be "better" and/or more "prestigious" than GT4. as u know, i am a GT3 die hard. but if the GT4 is what i think it is, it may well replace my RS. yes, i know. .. i am always whishful
yes, the gt3 cost more than GT4. i was saying that many automatically assumes that a GT3 should be "better" and/or more "prestigious" than GT4. as u know, i am a GT3 die hard. but if the GT4 is what i think it is, it may well replace my RS. yes, i know. .. i am always whishful
-nh4.
06-08-2014, 10:02 AM
#152
I for one would hope that Porsche won't make centerlocks std and then have a no cost 5 lug option similar to the Turbo S. Although from their side it would make financial sense, an approximate $4k windfall. Or like SS optional on the PASM std GTS, a $500 windfall. Or they could do a reversal like they did with the Cayman R; buckets a no-cost option with Sport Plus seats std.
Precedences are there.
I better stop before I give them any more ideas, not that they need help in that department.
06-08-2014, 04:26 PM
#154
Nordschleife Master
Before people get too excited, I'm NOT talking about actual PCCB performance.
06-08-2014, 05:10 PM
#155
Race Director
The 3rd generation PCCB's are supposed to offer much improved wear over the Gen II version on the 997.2. Whether the improvement is enough to make them a practical alternative for the track is a completely different question. Mine will see duty for autocross and limited tracking so it won't be a valid test of their longevity. I'll be interested to hear the experiences from 991 GT3 owners with PCCB's who track more heavily.
06-08-2014, 05:46 PM
#156
Nordschleife Master
The 3rd generation PCCB's are supposed to offer much improved wear over the Gen II version on the 997.2. Whether the improvement is enough to make them a practical alternative for the track is a completely different question. Mine will see duty for autocross and limited tracking so it won't be a valid test of their longevity. I'll be interested to hear the experiences from 991 GT3 owners with PCCB's who track more heavily.
06-08-2014, 06:02 PM
#157
Race Director
That probably won't be for a long time. I don't know of any track rat 991 GT3 owner or future owner who has optioned PCCB. Maybe when a PCCB equipped one goes into the hands of a track rat in the second hand market. Then again, if I were one of those people, I would pull the rotors off like I did on my spyder. I'm all for being a guinea pig unless it involves a potential $20k loss. Lol.
06-08-2014, 06:07 PM
#158
Nordschleife Master
06-08-2014, 09:59 PM
#159
Burning Brakes
I'll track mine Joe and will report back. I assume it was a stupid leap of faith on the PCCBs but whatever. Life goes on. While this won't be my dedicated track car, it will see some hard laps
06-08-2014, 10:03 PM
#160
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06-08-2014, 10:27 PM
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That probably won't be for a long time. I don't know of any track rat 991 GT3 owner or future owner who has optioned PCCB. Maybe when a PCCB equipped one goes into the hands of a track rat in the second hand market. Then again, if I were one of those people, I would pull the rotors off like I did on my spyder. I'm all for being a guinea pig unless it involves a potential $20k loss. Lol.
06-08-2014, 11:30 PM
#162
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06-09-2014, 02:25 AM
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i am the devil.
forget the pccb wear.
if you were changing tires at TH this past weekend at 100 deg, you may accidentally drop it on the pccb disc and ruin it. or you fly off T4 like i did then get rotors chipped up by rocks.
then you have to replace the pccb rotor no?
forget the pccb wear.
if you were changing tires at TH this past weekend at 100 deg, you may accidentally drop it on the pccb disc and ruin it. or you fly off T4 like i did then get rotors chipped up by rocks.
then you have to replace the pccb rotor no?
06-09-2014, 07:31 PM
#165
There was early word that the factory will offer its own steel rotor swap for track rats that opt for PCCB. Has anyone seen any follow up on that?
I'm looking forward to seeing the new PCCBs pedal feels. It's a matter of opinion, but I've generally found the old PCCBs felt slightly over-assisted.
Race cars generally require more brake pedal effort, not because they need to but to make them easier to modulate at the limit. Every PCCB equiped cars I've tried, on the other hand, has had much lower pedal effort than its non PCCB counterpart. It gives you an initial "wow" when you step on the brakes, but the lower effort makes it harder for me to modulate (or heel-toe, when that mattered). Given the larger radius of the PCCBs it seems you'd want a different master-cylinder, and Porsche is perhaps loath to make two different versions?
Anyone tried both PCCB and non 991s to see if this pattern still holds?
I'm looking forward to seeing the new PCCBs pedal feels. It's a matter of opinion, but I've generally found the old PCCBs felt slightly over-assisted.
Race cars generally require more brake pedal effort, not because they need to but to make them easier to modulate at the limit. Every PCCB equiped cars I've tried, on the other hand, has had much lower pedal effort than its non PCCB counterpart. It gives you an initial "wow" when you step on the brakes, but the lower effort makes it harder for me to modulate (or heel-toe, when that mattered). Given the larger radius of the PCCBs it seems you'd want a different master-cylinder, and Porsche is perhaps loath to make two different versions?
Anyone tried both PCCB and non 991s to see if this pattern still holds?
Last edited by Petevb; 06-09-2014 at 07:48 PM.