718 GT4?
02-16-2019, 10:06 AM
#5821
While we wait for more GT4 rumors to surface....... I’m not sure if this adds much to the “list” discussion, but I was on a “MSRP list” at my local dealer for the 991.2 GT3. Was promised an allocation in writing too from the GM; well as it turns out ALL of their GT3 allocations not sold to VIPs or “influencers” were sold with ADMs. I got absolutely nothing.
Now I’m looking in the used Canadian market and asking prices are OVER MSRP for fully loaded $220-$230K cars. Are there a lot of used options..... oh yes, but it would have been actually less expensive for me to just pay $10-$15K ADM and spec the car how I want.
So now I’m in the GT4 forums because I don’t want a fully loaded used GT3 and my wonderful dealership promised me an actual configurable GT4 allocation for $10K ADM. I took the deal and will spec the car I want.
For the record, I absolutely hate the ADM game, but what options do I have? I tried the MSRP only route and failed. I’d rather pay extra & have European delivery on a car I specced exactly how I want instead of buying second hand and compromising. Just my 2c......
Now I’m looking in the used Canadian market and asking prices are OVER MSRP for fully loaded $220-$230K cars. Are there a lot of used options..... oh yes, but it would have been actually less expensive for me to just pay $10-$15K ADM and spec the car how I want.
So now I’m in the GT4 forums because I don’t want a fully loaded used GT3 and my wonderful dealership promised me an actual configurable GT4 allocation for $10K ADM. I took the deal and will spec the car I want.
For the record, I absolutely hate the ADM game, but what options do I have? I tried the MSRP only route and failed. I’d rather pay extra & have European delivery on a car I specced exactly how I want instead of buying second hand and compromising. Just my 2c......
It pays to get over wanting the latest and greatest. For many years/decades I could not wait for the new model to come out on the cars that I coveted, but as I have gotten older I have lost that desire a bit. Of course I would still love to be one of the first to have a new model, and if I had money to burn I would probably do it, but I honestly don't need it anymore, because it is a never ending chase. It's a short lived high and lasts for maybe a year or two, until they release some upgrades and improvements and the whole things starts over again. I still enjoy watching it play out, but am content riding the wave a few years behind and it saves me A LOT of money ;-)
02-16-2019, 10:14 AM
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While we wait for more GT4 rumors to surface....... I’m not sure if this adds much to the “list” discussion, but I was on a “MSRP list” at my local dealer for the 991.2 GT3. Was promised an allocation in writing too from the GM; well as it turns out ALL of their GT3 allocations not sold to VIPs or “influencers” were sold with ADMs. I got absolutely nothing.
Now I’m looking in the used Canadian market and asking prices are OVER MSRP for fully loaded $220-$230K cars. Are there a lot of used options..... oh yes, but it would have been actually less expensive for me to just pay $10-$15K ADM and spec the car how I want.
So now I’m in the GT4 forums because I don’t want a fully loaded used GT3 and my wonderful dealership promised me an actual configurable GT4 allocation for $10K ADM. I took the deal and will spec the car I want.
For the record, I absolutely hate the ADM game, but what options do I have? I tried the MSRP only route and failed. I’d rather pay extra & have European delivery on a car I specced exactly how I want instead of buying second hand and compromising. Just my 2c......
Now I’m looking in the used Canadian market and asking prices are OVER MSRP for fully loaded $220-$230K cars. Are there a lot of used options..... oh yes, but it would have been actually less expensive for me to just pay $10-$15K ADM and spec the car how I want.
So now I’m in the GT4 forums because I don’t want a fully loaded used GT3 and my wonderful dealership promised me an actual configurable GT4 allocation for $10K ADM. I took the deal and will spec the car I want.
For the record, I absolutely hate the ADM game, but what options do I have? I tried the MSRP only route and failed. I’d rather pay extra & have European delivery on a car I specced exactly how I want instead of buying second hand and compromising. Just my 2c......
I guess it all comes down to the honor and reputation of the dealership. What they did was dishonorable in order to make a buck.
02-16-2019, 12:05 PM
#5824
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Rxpert- you did the right thing. I’d have a problem in principal doing that but the reality is that Canadian 981 GT4s still trade at a premium to list so you’d be paying a premium even if you were buying used. I had a problem paying msrp +15% a year ago for a 981, but couldn’t find a better deal.
What city are you in? $10k ADM is pretty low relative to last car if I recall.
What city are you in? $10k ADM is pretty low relative to last car if I recall.
02-16-2019, 12:09 PM
#5825
And this is why I am a firm believer the 981 GT4 will not depreciate much when the 718 GT4 is released. As with the 991 GT3's, it seems that the prices for the new cars just continue to go up and the outgoing models barley go down.
It pays to get over wanting the latest and greatest. For many years/decades I could not wait for the new model to come out on the cars that I coveted, but as I have gotten older I have lost that desire a bit. Of course I would still love to be one of the first to have a new model, and if I had money to burn I would probably do it, but I honestly don't need it anymore, because it is a never ending chase. It's a short lived high and lasts for maybe a year or two, until they release some upgrades and improvements and the whole things starts over again. I still enjoy watching it play out, but am content riding the wave a few years behind and it saves me A LOT of money ;-)
It pays to get over wanting the latest and greatest. For many years/decades I could not wait for the new model to come out on the cars that I coveted, but as I have gotten older I have lost that desire a bit. Of course I would still love to be one of the first to have a new model, and if I had money to burn I would probably do it, but I honestly don't need it anymore, because it is a never ending chase. It's a short lived high and lasts for maybe a year or two, until they release some upgrades and improvements and the whole things starts over again. I still enjoy watching it play out, but am content riding the wave a few years behind and it saves me A LOT of money ;-)
02-16-2019, 01:09 PM
#5826
Burning Brakes
02-16-2019, 02:40 PM
#5827
While in Belgium, and probably the same in Germany, everyone who bothered to order a 981 GT4 could do so @ MSRP... Ok, the first batch of 2500 was sold out when the GT4 featured in magazines, but Porsche made 6000 GT4...
I payed my deposit a month ago and I am second on the list, out of 7 allocations in that dealership for the first 3 months of production. Much more will follow there after.
In truth tough, we all pay ADM here in Belgium in the form of a 13000€ tax to get the car registered. That cools down the scam, sorry, business a bit...
I payed my deposit a month ago and I am second on the list, out of 7 allocations in that dealership for the first 3 months of production. Much more will follow there after.
In truth tough, we all pay ADM here in Belgium in the form of a 13000€ tax to get the car registered. That cools down the scam, sorry, business a bit...
02-16-2019, 02:52 PM
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Hard to believe any dealers having actual allocations at this point... can anyone confirm? I’d like see something other than them just saying they have them.
02-16-2019, 04:09 PM
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wow how unusual a dealer doing something unethical just to make money. carl
wow how unusual a dealer doing something unethical just to make money. carl
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No, not unusual at all. At the same time, it should be called out for what it is. And not all businesses, and people, are like this even though it is so common these days.
With some people, and businesses, even just their word still matters.
02-16-2019, 05:07 PM
#5832
This is all differs very much with wat Car UK wrote... Not sure who to believe TBH.
02-17-2019, 12:05 AM
#5833
I have it in email and when I went there the salesperson showed me a spreadsheet with 1 slot each for sept and okt 2019 plus 5 in nov. No firm prices obviously but it would be a 4,0 manual costing about 10% more than the first GT4.
This is all differs very much with wat Car UK wrote... Not sure who to believe TBH.
This is all differs very much with wat Car UK wrote... Not sure who to believe TBH.
02-17-2019, 06:49 AM
#5834
I have it in email and when I went there the salesperson showed me a spreadsheet with 1 slot each for sept and okt 2019 plus 5 in nov. No firm prices obviously but it would be a 4,0 manual costing about 10% more than the first GT4.
This is all differs very much with wat Car UK wrote... Not sure who to believe TBH.
This is all differs very much with wat Car UK wrote... Not sure who to believe TBH.
They know (PAG) that dealers need pricing once allocations are out so they can go through their list of clients and/or play their ADM game.
Actually on the 981 the pricing was known before the actual allocations were released on March 2015
I remember my dealer getting extra allocations on the 981 because some dealers in the region turn down several cars.
They probably showed you an internal dealer speculation of what they will get to keep track of the number of deposits...once PAG has the initial production set allocations are distributed worldwide.
The 10% increase in cost is pretty close to what PAG increases from generation to generation.....my guess was 8% so pretty close
02-17-2019, 01:05 PM
#5835
With some people, and businesses, even just their word still matters.[/QUOTE]
it was a joke I was being facetious . Carl