Originally Posted by jrbkarter

Ehhhhhhh...you seem to be leaving out, unfamiliar with, what have you, a critical detail- aka- the particulate filter situation. Though it's yet to be fully confirmed (which until a car is built with it and someone else puts it on a lift- nothing is really "confirmed" is it?) all signs point to post Sept '18 and CY '19 Euro RS builds including the new particulate filter. Logic would stand to reason any other application of the 4.0l would also include said filter, thus making it completely plausible the GT4 (and perhaps Spyder) could have the 4.0l.

As for the videos- I've yet to hear one at WOT or even at anything above 4kish RPMs so to try and bet your life on any of those videos conclusively telling you one way or the other would be a risky proposition. Several key RL members who for years have been nearly dead on with every tiny shred of information they're allowed to leak have said- NA. They've also said nearly every combo imaginable has been tested in the car, so there's no way to know which car you're even listening to in those videos. It very may well be a turbo power plant in it- but that doesn't mean it's the final production mule does it?

But to help out HelpMeHelpU (yeaaa see what I did there dontcha!) it's been pretty well noted, hinted at, borderline flat out announced that the Clubsport- which will be released before the street car- will be in the hands of teams for testing very very soon. And as others with their fingers on the pulse of PMNA have noted- it's going to be NA, and 99.9% chance it's going to be the 4.0l. Again, they tested tons of other options, it's come back to the 4.0l. As for actual power levels- who knows; I've heard everything from 420hp (which IMHO would be a mistake) to 450hp (muchhhh better) but short of a complete Grinch stole the whole goddamn Christmas- it's going to be NA. Yes- there's always the chance that Porsche deviates from the Clubsport and puts a different power plant in the street car, and yes, there's always a chance they deviate from the 981 and put a different motor in the Spyder than they do in the GT4.

But really- don't gripe at the people who do have information but can only share so much by belittling them with "THIS VIDEO SOUNDS LIKE THIS TO ME AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I JUST HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT BEING SOMETHING ELSE" because they're just going to stop telling us a damn thing- and I don't blame them. Unless the video also happens to show a Monroney sticker in the window, accept that it's just as incomplete a piece of evidence as the random snippets from members with cleaning ladies.

Originally Posted by jrbkarter

Ehhhhhhh...you seem to be leaving out, unfamiliar with, what have you, a critical detail- aka- the particulate filter situation. Though it's yet to be fully confirmed (which until a car is built with it and someone else puts it on a lift- nothing is really "confirmed" is it?) all signs point to post Sept '18 and CY '19 Euro RS builds including the new particulate filter. Logic would stand to reason any other application of the 4.0l would also include said filter, thus making it completely plausible the GT4 (and perhaps Spyder) could have the 4.0l.

As for the videos- I've yet to hear one at WOT or even at anything above 4kish RPMs so to try and bet your life on any of those videos conclusively telling you one way or the other would be a risky proposition. Several key RL members who for years have been nearly dead on with every tiny shred of information they're allowed to leak have said- NA. They've also said nearly every combo imaginable has been tested in the car, so there's no way to know which car you're even listening to in those videos. It very may well be a turbo power plant in it- but that doesn't mean it's the final production mule does it?

But to help out HelpMeHelpU (yeaaa see what I did there dontcha!) it's been pretty well noted, hinted at, borderline flat out announced that the Clubsport- which will be released before the street car- will be in the hands of teams for testing very very soon. And as others with their fingers on the pulse of PMNA have noted- it's going to be NA, and 99.9% chance it's going to be the 4.0l. Again, they tested tons of other options, it's come back to the 4.0l. As for actual power levels- who knows; I've heard everything from 420hp (which IMHO would be a mistake) to 450hp (muchhhh better) but short of a complete Grinch stole the whole goddamn Christmas- it's going to be NA. Yes- there's always the chance that Porsche deviates from the Clubsport and puts a different power plant in the street car, and yes, there's always a chance they deviate from the 981 and put a different motor in the Spyder than they do in the GT4.

But really- don't gripe at the people who do have information but can only share so much by belittling them with "THIS VIDEO SOUNDS LIKE THIS TO ME AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I JUST HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT BEING SOMETHING ELSE" because they're just going to stop telling us a damn thing- and I don't blame them. Unless the video also happens to show a Monroney sticker in the window, accept that it's just as incomplete a piece of evidence as the random snippets from members with cleaning ladies.

Originally Posted by jrbkarter

Sigh...and even the "ending euro production in 2018" is itself, speculation. I'm scrolling through Porsche AG press releases (https://newsroom.porsche.com/en.html) and unless I missed it- I don't see one in there approximating "vehicles slated for delivery for the EDM with the 4.0l NA motor will cease production on XX/XX/2018" soooo somewhere you're taking someone else's (speculative) statement as gospel. However, any speculative statement from cleaning ladies regarding a 4.0l being installed in a vehicle PAST 12/31/18- which a GT4 would almost certainly be- is automatically discounted because it contradicts what you already consider (speculative) gospel.

Again, I suggest just accepting that there really are no facts available to us Peons, the best we get are the occasional nuggets that then get twisted, distorted, and lost in 10 million conspiracy theories. Anything and everything is possible at this point- hell, they might just not sell the 718 4.0l NA GT4 in Europe- there's a solution to the problem!

Originally Posted by blackholescion

Originally Posted by ExMB

+1

Oh, lets no forget the requests for crawling under a low slung car and taking pictures of engine bays to the mix. I want a video of someone doing that.

Originally Posted by jmartpr

Have you ever heard of those little selfy sticks???? no need to throw yourself or crawl under the car.......do a search on them

Originally Posted by ExMB

Any bets that those, pics on a stick, won't be good enough for RL'ers? And who wants to spent $ on a stick to satisfy RL'ers?

Originally Posted by GT4 981

^^ Can you point us to how you are so certain about this?

Originally Posted by jrbkarter

Yes- there's always the chance that Porsche deviates from the Clubsport and puts a different power plant in the street car, and yes, there's always a chance they deviate from the 981 and put a different motor in the Spyder than they do in the GT4.

Originally Posted by tcsracing1