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Old 06-18-2019, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Five12Free View Post
$40k is still a lot of money... GT4 is usually a second car for most, so $40k can buy a nice tow vehicle. That said, for $110k, a 982 GT4 is still a bad *** car. You donít need most options: Buckets, Apple car play, leather, etc. I have a bloated 981 build, but the $30k in options doesnít make it a funner car.
Yeah I took some of the stuff off that you had on there but Iím keeping the buckets for sure. Iím thinking I can get rid of the nav as well as the speakers to save another 4k down to 118 or so since I basically never listen to music in my current car and use Waze/CarPlay.

You're right that it is it is still a lot of money and 40k in mods to get a mild tune, new gears for torque and shorter ratio, and fix the exhaust situation would still come up much cheaper.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:50 AM
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I've got to say that I'm really disappointed. Sure, it looks great and of course it will be a super fun track day car, but Porsche missed a serious opportunity to change the game here. The 718 GT4 is most likely the last GT version of any Cayman, and while they easily could have made something really special, they again neutered it so their precious 911 buyers won't be upset that the Cayman is devaluing their cars. I'm actually glad I purchased my 718 Cayman GTS now, instead of waiting for this. Maybe I'll try to pick up a used one in a couple of years, but I'm certainly not running to the dealerships to see if I can get an allocation, which may open up now that the less than stellar GT4 specs have been released.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:51 AM
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:16 AM
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Definitely not upgrading but Chalk or Gentian Blue with Aurum wheels is gorgeous!!!!
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
We assumed as such however Porsche kept saying "no".
Porsche claims the engine would be "new".

So as it stands, it is supposedly the 3.0L carrera motor with the turbos deleted and then stroked to 4.0L
So it is "kinda" new-ish.

I like the idea.
Lets see if it delivers or can be tuned.
With aftermarket mods that dyno curve will look just like the one I posted. We saw how much the current motor wakes up from mods and how it's a night and day difference. You now have a new starting point. The compression is higher by half a point.

Someone scour the internet for me please so I can see the intake manifold better because it looks like an X51 manifold but I need to see more closely because I can't tell if it's painted plastic or not; if so, then it's just a revised manifold.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chillindrdude View Post
I think the 981 GT4 is the better car.....

Pretty disappointed Porsche neutered the GT4....again.
I'm in the same camp.

Hard to believe that Porsche took 5 years to come up with "this".
But then again, they are really good at massaging in ".2" versions without cannibalizing their model hierarchy and building a parts bin car and jacking up the price by 17.3%

I'm sure there will be a ton of marketing hype... such as the "781 is 10 seconds faster around the Ring" . . . never mind its mostly due to the tires and an improvement in the track.
My dealer sent me an email yesterday with their introduction sheet and asked if I was interested in purchasing at a "market" rate. Cant wait to learn what that will be.

They emphasized aero and added that diffuser.
But no Clubsport Package for North America?

Colors are terribly bland.
No Sapphire Blue.

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Old 06-18-2019, 10:23 AM
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^Just buy a used 991.2 GT3 and get the real deal
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:30 AM
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+1

color choices are truly underwhelming!!!

no Lizard Green for the Cayman/Boxster series yet the "bloated" semi-sport series gets several others (Lizard, Lava Orange/Carmine Red)

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... pretty disappointed in the colors.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:32 AM
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Since the original essence of this thread is speculation... I think this car sets up a RS version release perfectly. They had to limit the torque for the manual with the OEM tune but the engine probably has just the right amount of hidden potential to unlock. Throw in a PDK, up the power and torque just enough (mostly through the ECU), tweak the aero and suspension. Maybe some big RS uprights, CUP 2R tires and a great Ring time. Price? Maybe 120-130 range base? Profit!

The timing would align with all the rumors of a late PDK release. FWIW, Magnus hinted that an RS is coming on IG yesterday...
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:37 AM
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The timing would align with all the rumors of a late PDK release. FWIW, Magnus hinted that an RS is coming on IG yesterday...
Yup.

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Old 06-18-2019, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sonorous View Post
Since the original essence of this thread is speculation... I think this car sets up a RS version release perfectly. They had to limit the torque for the manual with the OEM tune but the engine probably has just the right amount of hidden potential to unlock. Throw in a PDK, up the power and torque just enough (mostly through the ECU), tweak the aero and suspension. Maybe some big RS uprights, CUP 2R tires and a great Ring time. Price? Maybe 120-130 range base? Profit!

The timing would align with all the rumors of a late PDK release. FWIW, Magnus hinted that an RS is coming on IG yesterday...

Yes...they could do that but with the increase in pricing then you will have a GT4 RS at the same base price as a GT3.....if they are so afraid or unwilling to give us a little bit more goodies on the Gt4 doubt very much they will do an RS.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sonorous View Post
Since the original essence of this thread is speculation... I think this car sets up a RS version release perfectly. They had to limit the torque for the manual with the OEM tune but the engine probably has just the right amount of hidden potential to unlock. Throw in a PDK, up the power and torque just enough (mostly through the ECU), tweak the aero and suspension. Maybe some big RS uprights, CUP 2R tires and a great Ring time. Price? Maybe 120-130 range base? Profit!

The timing would align with all the rumors of a late PDK release. FWIW, Magnus hinted that an RS is coming on IG yesterday...
Agree with this. Likely PDK-only, RS version at end of the cycle with modest increase in hp/torque for 125K, from moderate tweaks to the same engine.

This will maintain the model heirarchy, but by then a 2 year old 991.2 GT3 will look very tempting on price compared to a new GT4 RS, and still have noticeably more torque/Hp from a true race engine, and a used .1 GT3 will beat the GT4RS price, beat the GT4RS torque/hp, and also have a non race engine like the RS.

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Old 06-18-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude View Post
But now that we know the engine is not a GT3 derivative, if there is an rs version it won't be a high rpm screamer but a warmed version of this new engine....
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:50 AM
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I keep hearing the gear box issue but how different really is it from the current GTS manual that has 405 ftlbs? Completely different box? Also, porsche has often shown this flat torque curve through the years but I’ve never seen one look like that on a dyno. Maybe just the small statistical set I’ve seen but still...
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by blackholescion
Until you need to replace one....

I watched a guy at autocross destroy his GT350R wheel when he ran out of talent. I wouldn't want to be in that position, that's for sure.
Curious, how?
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