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Old 12-09-2018, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Knutsm01


Dude just stop posting. Your just stirring the pot and it’s getting old.
Perfectly reasonable question though. If you’re going to make statements that it has to be the same engine in the road car as the race car for GT4, how do you explain the fact that the Lotus Evora GT4 race car had an engine that never went into a production Lotus Evora road car? Or is it just that you’re making it up and you therefore can’t answer it?
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Originally Posted by LordLucan
Perfectly reasonable question though. If you’re going to make statements that it has to be the same engine in the road car as the race car for GT4, how do you explain the fact that the Lotus Evora GT4 race car had an engine that never went into a production Lotus Evora road car? Or is it just that you’re making it up and you therefore can’t answer it?
Surely, it simply demonstrates that it CAN be a different engine in the GT4 race car to the road car it’s based on.
Old 12-09-2018, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GT4 981


I didn’t own the performante... just out for a 30 min drive.
Understood, English is hard for me sometimes...

Originally Posted by Knutsm01
Dude just stop posting. Your just stirring the pot and it’s getting old.
the troll is back
Old 12-09-2018, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordLucan

Surely, it simply demonstrates that it CAN be a different engine in the GT4 race car to the road car it’s based on.
You need to dig deeper into the Lotus and the counterparts used between the street and race car along with the sanctioning body in which it was run.
Old 12-09-2018, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
You need to dig deeper into the Lotus and the counterparts used between the street and race car along with the sanctioning body in which it was run.
1. Counterpart used: Lotus do not, and never have, built an Evora road car with a 4.0 normally aspirated engine.
2. Sanctioning body in which it was run: SRO GT4 European Series (amongst others) - see link below.
http://www.lotus-verhiest.com/new-ca...cars/evora-gt4
As I say, the road car CAN have a different engine to the race car under GT4. So, in theory, the Cayman 718 GT4 Club Sport (race car) could have a different engine to the 718 GT4 road car.

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Originally Posted by LordLucan

1. Counterpart used: Lotus do not, and never have, built an Evora road car with a 4.0 normally aspirated engine.
2. Sanctioning body in which it was run: SRO GT4 European Series (amongst others) - see link below.
http://www.lotus-verhiest.com/new-ca...cars/evora-gt4
As I say, the road car CAN have a different engine to the race car under GT4. So, in theory, the Cayman 718 GT4 Club Sport (race car) could have a different engine to the 718 GT4 road car.

where did the 4.0L block come from?
Old 12-09-2018, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1


where did the 4.0L block come from?
Lotus took the head and the block from the 3.5 litre (supercharged) V6 in the Evora S (road car), ditched the supercharger and added new crankshaft, new rods, new pistons, new camshafts, new valves and springs, all governed by a new Cosworth SQ6 ECU. The result was a 4.0 litre, 355bhp at 6500rpm, 328lb ft at 5500rpm engine that did not appear in one of their Evora road cars nor any of their other road cars.
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Originally Posted by LordLucan

Lotus took the head and the block from the 3.5 litre (supercharged) V6 in the Evora S (road car), ditched the supercharger and added new crankshaft, new rods, new pistons, new camshafts, new valves and springs, all governed by a new Cosworth SQ6 ECU. The result was a 4.0 litre, 355bhp at 6500rpm, 328lb ft at 5500rpm engine that did not appear in one of their Evora road cars nor any of their other road cars.
exactly. They used the same block and head from the toyota 3.5L engine in the street car.

Being a 25 car minimum, one car a month minimum, small manufacture they are able to do tweaking with possible waivers in place for BoP.

Look at the GT4 mustang and GT4 camaro.
Not a plug and play engine with street car but based on them none the less.

The Porsche GT4 is basically a direct swap with the street car becuase it is already engineered to a high standard fit for motorsport duty. (Got to love porsche!) It also keeps price point reasonable.

Porsche wouldnt need to make the engine any different then the streer car because the BoP is already on their *** for low weight.

Porsche could build the GT4 engine into a bigger monster then the street engine using the same block. But it is not neccessary.

The key point in this topic here is using the same block in regards to the Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious Evora GT4.
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Originally Posted by LordLucan

1. Counterpart used: Lotus do not, and never have, built an Evora road car with a 4.0 normally aspirated engine.
2. Sanctioning body in which it was run: SRO GT4 European Series (amongst others) - see link below.
http://www.lotus-verhiest.com/new-ca...cars/evora-gt4
As I say, the road car CAN have a different engine to the race car under GT4. So, in theory, the Cayman 718 GT4 Club Sport (race car) could have a different engine to the 718 GT4 road car.

in theroy, porsche could give the new street car 400hp and the race car 420hp. But alas, it would be same engine block.
Not sure how that would work out for marketing given the sandbagging as well as explaining to BoP the added Bump in HP.
Old 12-09-2018, 07:30 PM
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I think TCSracing has provided more than enough info but here's a bit more than "an opinion or view".....
Taken from the SRO GT4 European Series Technical Regulations for GT4 Grand Touring Cars...which is basically THE RULES for all GT4s
ARTICLE 5 : ENGINE 5.1 Type and position of engine The make and type of engine used must remain original, unless by a waiver of the SRO GT4 Bureau. The position of the engine, the location and orientation must remain original.
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1


exactly. They used the same block and head from the toyota 3.5L engine in the street car.
So the GT4 homologation rules are as specific as saying it has to be the same head and block in the GT4 race car as in the road car?! But they go on to say it’s okay if pretty much the rest of the engine (including whether it’s forced induction or naturally aspirated and it’s capacity) is different?!
With the forthcoming 718 GT4 and whether the engine is the same in the race car as in the road car, you are confusing “likely to be the same” with “has to be the same”. There is nothing in the SRO GT4 regs that says the homologated race car has to have the same engine as the production road car on which it is based.
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Originally Posted by jmartpr
I think TCSracing has provided more than enough info but here's a bit more than "an opinion or view".....
Taken from the SRO GT4 European Series Technical Regulations for GT4 Grand Touring Cars...which is basically THE RULES for all GT4s
ARTICLE 5 : ENGINE 5.1 Type and position of engine The make and type of engine used must remain original, unless by a waiver of the SRO GT4 Bureau. The position of the engine, the location and orientation must remain original.
Read the Definitions in the very same regulations you quote. Article 1.2 of the Definitions states:
“1.2 Original
As fitted to the SRO Motorsports Group-approved series-produced car and in compliance with their Technical Form.”

It doesn’t say “I’ll make up what ‘original’ means and deem it to mean ‘the same as in the road car’ because that’s what I think it means”!
Old 12-09-2018, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordLucan


Read the Definitions in the very same regulations you quote. Article 1.2 of the Definitions states:
“1.2 Original
As fitted to the SRO Motorsports Group-approved series-produced car and in compliance with their Technical Form.”

It doesn’t say “I’ll make up what ‘original’ means and deem it to mean ‘the same as in the road car’ because that’s what I think it means”!
Always read the Definitions in a set of regulations before launching into the rest of the regulations - that’s why they’re always set out at the beginning!
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