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Old 10-10-2017, 03:16 PM
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AQM 981 Shorter Final Drive Ratio

The Issue

One of the most common complaints about the GT4 has been the long gearing. This is especially prevalent on the track where it takes a good bit of time to rev through the powercurve, and you’d be hard pressed to find a track anywhere in the world where you’d ever use 6th gear. The factory final drive ratio has a top speed equivalent of 201mph, which sacrifices the intensity of the acceleration curve and leaves us with a GT4 that is not nearly as quick or responsive as it could be on track and not as exciting as we’d like on the street.


We have spent over 18 months researching and developing a new crown ring and pinion to shorten the final drive ratio. Our new ratio is 19% shorter, reducing the final drive from 3.89 to 4.62. Our new shorter final drive ratio is now perfectly suited for track use, and much more exciting for street driving. It is much more responsive, feeling similar to having an additional 50hp at your disposal.

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Replacing and setting up a crown ring and pinion correctly can be a challenging task and requires specialized experience. To maintain our 12 month product warranty, we have made arrangements with one of the leading Porsche Transmission Specialists in the US, BMC & G in Ohio, to perform the installation and assist in the shipping of your transmission.

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981 Cayman S/GTS/GT4
981 Boxster S/GTS Spyder

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$2598 (new crown ring and pinion only)

***We are now taking $1000 deposits for November delivery***

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John- not a technical guy- But- by changing the final drive; this shortens all the gears to redline. Trying to understand all of this
Old 10-10-2017, 06:00 PM
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Would be awesome if there's a side by side video comparing the oem final drive versus the new one. ;-)
Old 10-11-2017, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
John- not a technical guy- But- by changing the final drive; this shortens all the gears to redline. Trying to understand all of this
For a non-technical guy you certainly got it right haha. Yes it is a global change that shortens all the gears 19%, hence the shown 19% reduction in potential top speed in each gear. I'll post up some more graphs in a day or so showing some more technical aspects of what to expect as well.

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Would be awesome if there's a side by side video comparing the oem final drive versus the new one. ;-)
Oh it's coming! We have already planned the back to back comparison at Sebring in November
Old 10-11-2017, 09:27 PM
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how many rpm is the engine at at 70mph and 80mph?
Old 10-12-2017, 12:16 AM
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So rev match works as it's supposed to? Confused as I thought rev match was software based like it knows what gear you are trying to put it in and then revs to the proper rpms, if that's the case there's no way it can know what rpm you are supposed to be in.

Maybe I have the inner functions all wrong? But doesn't make sense that the car can know and adjust for the shorter final drive. Unless you fix it through tuning of a Cobb?
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^ i dont know how it konws, but if ypou change gear ratio, the rev match still works, i know b/c i changed gears 3-6 and it's fine.

however if you put aftermkt shocks, the rev match wil no longer work. we did this to 3 cars, all same result.
Old 10-12-2017, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mooty
^ i dont know how it konws, but if ypou change gear ratio, the rev match still works, i know b/c i changed gears 3-6 and it's fine.

however if you put aftermkt shocks, the rev match wil no longer work. we did this to 3 cars, all same result.
How odd. Wonder why changing shocks would affect rev matching.
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It's like magic..
Old 10-12-2017, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
how many rpm is the engine at at 70mph and 80mph?
We are doing those calculations shortly. The new 6th is about the same as the factory 5th, so drive around a bit in 5th and you'll have a pretty darn good idea. That being said, we've just arranged the ability to put in a longer 6th, which combined with the FD will put the new 6th within 200rpm as it was from factory

Originally Posted by bhk1004
So rev match works as it's supposed to? Confused as I thought rev match was software based like it knows what gear you are trying to put it in and then revs to the proper rpms, if that's the case there's no way it can know what rpm you are supposed to be in.

Maybe I have the inner functions all wrong? But doesn't make sense that the car can know and adjust for the shorter final drive. Unless you fix it through tuning of a Cobb?
We had conversation with Porsche about this topic. The rev match feature is controlled by the DME based off the RPMs. Gearing has no play in the functionality of this feature, nor have we seen any change in it's accuracy from any of the 3-5 gear changes some our our clients are running.


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How odd. Wonder why changing shocks would affect rev matching.
Witchcraft! I have Gavin making a few calls on that to ease my curiosity haha

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Originally Posted by switchface
John, curious if this mod (or even any power mod for that matter) is automatically 'reflected' in the hp/tq charts from our digital instrument cluster. I don't know if they are dynamic or just statically programmed in.

Meaning, if you add 25hp does the 'dyno' graph move up to show the increase?

If you change the gear rations (or final drive) would the plots change?
Alright, so the FD should have zero affect on that digital display as it changes the acceleration/thrust not the actual performance of the engine. However, upgrades like Header/IPD/Tune would very likely cause that display to change as it is directly affecting the performance of the engine.

I'll keep my eyes out to confirm as we get some more GT4's through the shop this season.
Old 10-12-2017, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jlennox
Can you discuss the pros/cons of a shorter final drive vs Guards 2nd - 5th shortened regearing (assuming the 2nd gear is ever actually released). Other than being potentially cheaper, are there going to be any significant advantages over your solution vs Guards?
I'm not typically one to compare against another company's products. What I will say is simply factual and logical based on the data, and that is our final drive reduction is more aggressive than that of any of the individual gearing solutions. This means more acceleration/thrust. We are going to release some graphs today/tomorrow to show you exactly where you are getting the improvements in the various gears. We are also doing a thrust comparison to the 997.2 GT3RS and the results so far have been quite interesting...
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
I’d like to see track data plots with this. Before and after. Just eye balling it I could see 4 extra shifts at the track I frequent most....
Gearing far outweighs any lost time in upshifts (no loss in downshifts). Just don't let shifts slow you down like this guy ; )


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Is that car in easy mode while Everyone else was in slow mode?
Old 10-12-2017, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
Is that car in easy mode while Everyone else was in slow mode?
That's Mike Rockenfeller for you haha. Gavin is in the 2:07s with his 997 GT3 Cup, it's pretty ridiculous. I was at Sebring last weekend riding shotgun in a 997.2 GTB1 Cayman S on Pirelli slicks running 2:31s, and that felt fast haha.
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Originally Posted by mooty
^ i dont know how it konws, but if ypou change gear ratio, the rev match still works, i know b/c i changed gears 3-6 and it's fine.

however if you put aftermkt shocks, the rev match wil no longer work. we did this to 3 cars, all same result.
Originally Posted by MagicRat
How odd. Wonder why changing shocks would affect rev matching.
Originally Posted by bhk1004
It's like magic..
Alright, so the electronics of the auto rev match and the suspension operate on the same network in CAN bus. When the signal from the suspension is broken, the rev matching stops working.


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